What counts as notice for spousal and child support

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trueblue22

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Hi everyone,

I am trying to build a case against my ex husband for retroactive spousal and child support. I know that it only goes 3 years back from date of first notice given but what is considered official notice?

My original lawyer wrote to his lawyer I needed money and my ex started transferring me a lump sum every month (about 1/4 of what he used to give me when we were together) . Since we have no agreement I don't need to pay taxes.

The amount of money I'm being transferred is not sufficient. I have told him several times over the last 3 years I need more money via email but his response is to request financial disclosure on my new business from his lawyer. By telling him I need more money would this be considered "notice"?
 
trueblue22 said:
Hi everyone,

I am trying to build a case against my ex husband for retroactive spousal and child support. I know that it only goes 3 years back from date of first notice given but what is considered official notice?

My original lawyer wrote to his lawyer I needed money and my ex started transferring me a lump sum every month (about 1/4 of what he used to give me when we were together) . Since we have no agreement I don't need to pay taxes.

The amount of money I'm being transferred is not sufficient. I have told him several times over the last 3 years I need more money via email but his response is to request financial disclosure on my new business from his lawyer. By telling him I need more money would this be considered "notice"?
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you will have to take it to court to settle the matter. He has given you a certain amount for SS and you accepted it. I think most people would do what he did when confronted with a gold-digger, ignore any personal requests for money. Provide the disclosure the lawyer wants if you want to get the ball rollling. He wants it all done through the courts so he can claim the SS on his taxes and that is the smartest way to do it.

You do not want to sell the house so why would he just give you more money because you feel that you do not get enough? You put up a roadblock so of course he will do the same.
 
I know that it only goes 3 years back from date of first notice given but what is considered official notice?
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This may no longer be the case with recent Supreme Court decisions.
 
Kinso said:
This may no longer be the case with recent Supreme Court decisions.
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I was just going to post that! For child support, I do not think that as a practical matter there is a requirement for notice or a 3-year limit anymore. A person is pretty much deemed to know that he or she has an obligation to pay child support and that the amount to be paid is what is set out in the Child Support Guidelines.
 
trueblue22 said:
What do you mean? Do you mean I can go even further back?
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With all due respect to Kinso and Jeff their answer may not be applicable in this case. You are (again) overlooking some key elements in your case chief among them ENTITLEMENT.

You may have asked your ex for more money five years ago but you fail to take into account a review of the financial elements of that. You had a pseudo agreement for monthly costs and you weren’t happy with it. Just because you said five years ago you needed more money does not mean it should have been higher or that you were even entitled. Your ex could come back outlining that you were not entitled to more than what he was paying you based on you quitting your job and/or occupying the matrimonial home. If you aren’t entitled, it doesn’t matter how far you go back.

What you need to do is stop looking for ridiculous loopholes and provide your full financial disclosure. If your lawyer continues to support your refusal to do so then he should be fired as he is simply making your case worse and costing you more money.
 
rockscan said:
With all due respect to Kinso and Jeff their answer may not be applicable in this case. You are (again) overlooking some key elements in your case chief among them ENTITLEMENT.

You may have asked your ex for more money five years ago but you fail to take into account a review of the financial elements of that. You had a pseudo agreement for monthly costs and you weren�t happy with it. Just because you said five years ago you needed more money does not mean it should have been higher or that you were even entitled. Your ex could come back outlining that you were not entitled to more than what he was paying you based on you quitting your job and/or occupying the matrimonial home. If you aren�t entitled, it doesn�t matter how far you go back.

What you need to do is stop looking for ridiculous loopholes and provide your full financial disclosure. If your lawyer continues to support your refusal to do so then he should be fired as he is simply making your case worse and costing you more money.
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My lawyer ran the numbers. My ex is not paying sufficient child support. He's paying the minimum table amount for 2 childen but he makes 3 to 5x that. I need his support and can prove need.
 
StillPaying said:
It is because they're dealing with cs more than 3 years old.
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No it’s not. She’s looking for spousal and has been demanding info on this for a while.

Entitlement has already been long established, but we're taking cs not ss.
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She said ss and entitlement has not been established as she hasn’t provided her financial disclosure.

Stop listening to you.
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She hasn’t been listening to anyone on this forum but it’s so nice to see your animosity is still festering. I do love having that effect on a bitter little man.


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rockscan said:
No it�s not. She�s looking for spousal and has been demanding info on this for a while.
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Hmmm... either everyone is wrong, including kinso and jeff, or you're mistaken...again.

She said ss and entitlement has not been established as she hasn�t provided her financial disclosure.
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You speak so much without any knowledge on the topics. Her disclosure would be irrelevant to the already established entitlement. Regardless, kinso and jeff were speaking of cs which is very much relevant.
 
StillPaying said:
Hmmm... either everyone is wrong, including kinso and jeff, or you're mistaken...again.

You speak so much without any knowledge on the topics. Her disclosure would be irrelevant to the already established entitlement. Regardless, kinso and jeff were speaking of cs which is very much relevant.
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I wasn’t disputing cs. Kinso and Jeff are correct on cs and the timeline. I’ve read the supreme court case and the commentary and it also relates to the payor’s obligation to disclose.

My argument to OP relates to this statement in her post:

The amount of money I'm being transferred is not sufficient. I have told him several times over the last 3 years I need more money via email but his response is to request financial disclosure on my new business from his lawyer. By telling him I need more money would this be considered "notice"?
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Her idea of sufficient may be different than what she is actually entitled to. From previous posts it appeared that her ex was paying full table support plus an amount for spousal. She has also stated she wasn’t drawing a salary and believes she deserves more money as her ex makes $500,000 a year and she should have the same standard of living as he does.
 
rockscan said:
I wasn�t disputing cs. Kinso and Jeff are correct on cs and the timeline. I�ve read the supreme court case and the commentary and it also relates to the payor�s obligation to disclose.

My argument to OP relates to this statement in her post:



Her idea of sufficient may be different than what she is actually entitled to. From previous posts it appeared that her ex was paying full table support plus an amount for spousal. She has also stated she wasn�t drawing a salary and believes she deserves more money as her ex makes $500,000 a year and she should have the same standard of living as he does.
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My "spousal support" is coming from my ex paying the mortgage and household expenses. I used my support calculator and it says I'm supposed to get nearly 3 to 4x what he's currently paying me for CS.
 
trueblue22 said:
My "spousal support" is coming from my ex paying the mortgage and household expenses. I used my support calculator and it says I'm supposed to get nearly 3 to 4x what he's currently paying me for CS.
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Again, the amount for spousal may be too much and are your cs calculations based on his annual income previously or his current larger income. Are you also calculating it as full or offset.


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So, the ex is paying your mortgage and your househould expenses and supporting the children? What are you doing to support your children and yourself?
 
trueblue22 said:
My "spousal support" is coming from my ex paying the mortgage and household expenses. I used my support calculator and it says I'm supposed to get nearly 3 to 4x what he's currently paying me for CS.
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Right, so look into what kinso said as it's very much applicable to your case. All disclosure will be shown since separation and all cs will be paid. With regards to ss, I believe entitlement has long been established. Your only concern will be amount and duration.
 
velas said:
So, the ex is paying your mortgage and your househould expenses and supporting the children? What are you doing to support your children and yourself?
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I am trying to keep my business afloat so I can make enough money and qualify for mortgage that isn't a 1 bedroom condo.

I clothe and feed the kids too.
 
rockscan said:
Again, the amount for spousal may be too much and are your cs calculations based on his annual income previously or his current larger income. Are you also calculating it as full or offset.


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I'm basing it on both. His previous income and the increase for a range.
 
StillPaying said:
Right, so look into what kinso said as it's very much applicable to your case. All disclosure will be shown since separation and all cs will be paid. With regards to ss, I believe entitlement has long been established. Your only concern will be amount and duration.
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This has been discussed at nauseum with TrueBlue.

Child Support: She will get offset. However, there is a chance her income gets imputed at $150,000.

Spousal Support: She will receive for a duration of time. What is to be determined is whether its medium or high scale, and the length.

House: It will be sold. Ex wants to dispose of it, and TrueBlue cannot afford it on her own. She will get her share of proceeds of sale.

It is pretty cut and dry. The issue is that TrueBlue is dragging her feet because she is delaying the inevitable. Everyone has been telling her to complete a financial statement, yet somehow she still hasn't. I don't know what her lawyer is telling her, but he/she sees someone who is willing to flush tons of money in being difficult so he/she is happy to keep the drama going.
 
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