The "Process"

You got it.

OCL made it very clear that she had the issue about the bath.

She made it clear that there were historical concerns (transcripts, etc) and present concerns (bath, secrets, fear of emotional harming my child). So all this high road stuff, acing like a choir boy, zero conflict etc and they were able to manufacture a myriad of concerns SINCE she left.

Yes Mr. T. They're positioning for a trial. We have 30 days from the 9th (or whenever we get her report) to form our complaint and refute it. I still don't know how OCL's crap will affect our motion. We have case law on how untested OCL stuff should not be implemented at a motion..how that stuff should be picked apart at a trial instead.

As always .. I think it depends on the judge.
 
On another note .. I sent that Ottewell case to my lawyer regarding the alienation. Im not diagnosing PAS yet. But for all I know .. D3 has been convinced she does hate me and doesn't want to see me. How do I know .. I DONT SEE HER. Sorry .. not yelling .. :)

All I know is that bullet list the judge made in that case for alienation is VERY similar to my situation. My lawyer is throwing around PAS quite a bit right now
 
LovingFather32 said:
I'm trying to focus on BIC.

I don't want to bring this stuff up in court .. but .. its already there. The stuff Im speaking of will be in OCL report, in ex's affidavits and will be in front of judge. But you're correct. The onus is on them to prove that I made her sad .. which is now affecting D3 (their case). Its not on me to prove D shouldn't be subjected to sadness all the time with her mom.

As for shared parenting. Ex's strategy = "Im scared, intimidated, still in counselling for our arguments AND plus I cant communicate with him at all.
Bye Bye joint. No chance.
What scares me is this. It will come down to "parallel parenting" or "sole to her" base on OCL's sway.
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What matters too is history.

Look at it this way:

OCL meeting re: D3 = 1 hour history

Ex + You together raising D3 = 3+ years history

What you did for D3, your responsibilities in the household, historical co-parenting etc... Is this not still the status quo?
 
LovingFather32 said:
D3 may be her security blanket, wiping her tears and telling her its okay.
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There used to be a guy here... his ex was here too (briefly). She had a YouTube account with videos of her crying and singing sad songs about her new boyfriend. In one of the videos the daughter (looking sad) walks up behind her and puts her hands on Mom's shoulders to comfort her.

That guy now has custody of his daughter.

Not as cut and dried as I imply... just throwing some hope your way.
 
It's all a game LF32 until somebody gets caught.

I always liked that link you posted on OCL's.....the one were OCL will deliberately do there Reports just before a Motion.

You think the 9th is the best time for this OCL again to not provide the report?

Don't hold your breath.

OCL's for the kid, the OCL knows she can't do much damage to you but is onboard with Goldilocks.

the OCL can help her buddy victim by recommending ..more therapy for the victim

that speaks volumes ......if the OCL had caretaker and another shrink (just for victims and depression for your EX)

I can see Goldilocks report....She was open and loving and nuturing, Goldilocks was the best patient I ever met...blah blah blah.....bad guy LF32

and when you don't do OCL recommendations.....he's evasive, hiding something, can't be trusted.

That's the game.

This OCL wants you put down....because you made her look like sh!t to CAS.

SO....this report whenever you get it....will be so loaded with hate towards you..... you'll puke.

We can work with this knowing ..the little malicious hints OCL is dropping.

I wouldn't abandon another Motion because of her.
 
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ODINN:

You're correct. Status quo should be from the 3 years of life. But Im not going to lie. This new so-called status quo shes weaving for herself scares the bajesus out of me.


Mr. Toronto:

Over my dead body will another motion be adjourned. No way no how.

We have "in writing" from OCL that report done by 9th. Even if she stalls and says no report we have that for the judge.

If you heard the tone OCL had in th disclosure meeting you'd think she was crazy. Like my principle in grade 4. Im a grown, professional with a clean record who works with kids. She would cut me off and raise her voice.

"SHE ASKED FOR A BATH WITH DADDY .. IT's CONCERNING".

I would say .. I gave her a bath once. She asked for one. And Im her father who gave her baths every other night prior to separation.

"IF THATS YOUR POSITION .. Its concerning".

I calmly let her know it wasn't a position. It's the truth. I just couldn't get over her attitude.
 
I have predicted from the start when you started posting that the mother suffered from mental illness.

I think the judge will cut-through-the-crap and simply request all parties go through intense psychiatric assessment and the whole matter will be put over pending the report of the independent consultant.

Hopefully, in the meantime, LF32 will get specific access directed by the judge.

The matter will be adjourned until the New Year pending report IMO.
 
Got to be careful Arabian, there are PRO's about Goldilocks and have to watch how the mental illness or depression is presented to a Judge.

OCL knows more than she's telling (at the meeting) some of what she says is crafted to throw LF32 off or misdirect him or put him on another path or buy time.

We think Goldilocks had 3 out of 4 victim sessions.....LF32 got that message, I think it's clear.

Did the OCL say what Goldilocks was doing now or last month....shrink wise?

Perfectly fine for OCL to recommend more victim training sessions, but I got a feeling with the PRO's around Goldilocks' there will be much more than just counseling for her at a Motion. probably a big name Psychologist

for the Motion

OCL is recommending SOLE (no brainer) and will run down LF32.

And a independent SHRINK report pops out from an EXPERT, summary will be Goldilocks is a victim (and deserves sole.)

Of course now a Judge has 2 independent Expert Reports ...to LF32's zero.

If this happens to LF32 it'll be a confusing day for a Judge.

Maybe the OCL will issue a report on OCT 9....maybe not....but you have to be prepared for anything LF32 and to file your brief in about 15 days....not a long time
 
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I think that, down the road, an independent psychoanalysis would be helpful for LF32 in the end.

I just feel that the motion coming up will be for interim custody and access and the judge would hopefully order a professional's analysis, particularly if there is any discussion whatsoever of mom's mental state (not OCL, a real specialist. I don't think this would be a bad thing at all.

Focus would be on interim custody/access at the upcoming motion would it not? I think it might be a good thing to stress that D3 once again be able to enjoy family holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas) with ALL extended family and of course, her father.
 
If I were LF32 and married to this nut job (and relatives) I'd be saying "bring it on" to an outside opinion - just not the underpaid government employee type.
 
Oh god Mr. T. .. please don't talk about a big time psychologist adding in another report. Just what I friggen need.

I'm hoping OCL wakes up and realizes what the heck she's doing to this child. D3 must miss me like crazy.

It all seems so illegal. Nobody told me when I had a child that I had no rights as a father.
 
LovingFather32 said:
Oh god Mr. T. .. please don't talk about a big time psychologist adding in another report. Just what I friggen need.

I'm hoping OCL wakes up and realizes what the heck she's doing to this child. D3 must miss me like crazy.

It all seems so illegal. Nobody told me when I had a child that I had no rights as a father.
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LF, I am not sure this situation equates to no rights as a father, while I am sure others may disagree.

It is supposed to be about the child; not what is best for either parent, but the child.

D3 has a right to enjoy the loving care of each parent. It is my hope that this is the position any investigation by the OCL starts off with. What are the investigative procedures, policies and best practices that an OCL must adhere to? Code of ethics? One would think there would be protocol and reporting requirements and parameters right? I would see if procedure was followed. Is the only way to do this through a complaint?
 
Of course others will disagree, odinn. No parent should be able to remove another parent from a child's life like that. It violates both the rights of the child and the rights of the disenfranchised parent.

Our legal system is enormously impotent in this regard. If you were in LF32's place, you would understand.
 
ODINN:

I have 30 days from the day the report is divulged.

And yes, I do have other forms and addresses (head office) asking for her detailed work on the case, policies/procedures, notes, etc).

LAW rules actually do state that I have rights. Rights to access. Rights to health and welfare information. StraitToHell is right. D3 and I are both being robbed of our rights to have each other n our lives.

It's in D3's best interest to have me in her life and I'm supposed to facilitate that for her. But I've been robbed that right to allow D3 the right to have 2 loving parents in her life.
 
Headwaters1 said:
Oh okay hold on. hold up...wait one minute. This was a pre-existing condition? That was formally diagnosed? Wow. That's amazing. Err...I mean I'm sorry to hear that for your ex's sake but that totally wipes the slate clean for you.

What are they thinking truing to use this against you. what a mistake.

This makes the matter of it being your fault a much cloudier issue for them to prove. Again doesn't change your tack. Positive positive. But the simple answer is before trial you ask please disclose any former diagnosis of former psychological issues you had previous to our marriage.

When it comes up you simply say - see exhibit 147. This was a pre existing condition. It might shed light on some reasons our relationship went south and her general behavior but this one didn't come to me in mint condition (I sounded more like Mr. T right there).

That is powerful. But again...not something you need to bring up. Only to deflect.
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LF32 can you start a new thread. This one is getting way to long and it makes it a little confusing.

Anyway, that being said I find this " pre exsisting condition" interesting. It would seem from what you have indicated that the Grandmother has a lot of influence in your ex's life and in the past when she lived with her Mother she was put on a cocktail of drugs. So now depressed again who will be the driving force behind her "dealing with it". I think a judge would recognise ( with a little highlighting from your legal counsel) that your ex is under unde influence of her mother and maybe not in the driving seat of decision being made.

I agree with Headwaters1 you need to be positive and showing you will be the facilitator of a shared an equal parenting arrangment.
 
Ignoring the old goat in the below post (she's to stupid) it would appear "the caretaker" is having a lot more input than one would think....for an ex that made only 3 out of 4 victim sessions.

The new caretaker and exs mom claim d3 is comforting mom...asking if shes sad..coddling her. This WILL be in the report.

It has to be staged. This is the OCL putting words into peoples mouths so it appears EX is depressed.

OCL did the same thing to LF32 by working him backwards until she pretty much told him his parents argued and it affected him...LMAO

The terrible part is the OCL douchebag involving a child "as a tool".

OCL is also recommending D3 to go to counseling for hearing parents fight.

OCL isn't backing off, isn't trying to resolve, isn't trying to settle for the child.

Nope OCL thinks it's better to "inflamme" (it does work)

A child in counselling at 3 yrs. old? over the effects of Goldilock's depression...which LF32 is responsible for

A child in counselling over the parents fights...which LF32 is responsible for

The child only witness'd LF32 fighting???...never Goldilocks because she was purposely off camera or out of the room...STAGED

This is were it has to be questioned...where the heck is OCL getting her conclusions from? All spycam recorded stuff.

Still no disclosure, but the OCL douchebag and LAO scumbag lawyer are making fantastic use of GARBAGE to involve a child...those two should be JAIL.
 
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