Support Payments on Moonlighting jobs?

[Brampton33]

So, for example, in 2021 lets say I was bringing in an extra $1,000 per month by burning myself out and working the graveyard shift at the Quickee Mart. But in December 2021 I realized I was turning into a zombie and quit as its not healthy. Moreover, I want to be fresh and have energy for my parenting days.

When it comes time to do my taxes in April 2022, my Line 150 will show that I made an extra $12,000 in 2021. Then in 2022 I will have to show my updated financials, and pay more in CS....even though I no longer have the graveyard shift job and back to only working my regular job. So I guess you would have to factor that in and save accordingly while making the extra dough in 2021?

 

[rockscan]

Unless you are paid cash, a side hustle isn’t worth it.

If you didn’t want to use 2022 income in 2023 you would tell your ex in December that you made more money doing part time work and as a result the extra back support for the year is $xyz and here is a cheque for that amount. Then you take your first pay stubs/statements for Jan 2023 and you pay based on that.

Or you just suck it up and live frugally. Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[Janus]

When it comes time to do my taxes in April 2022, my Line 150 will show that I made an extra $12,000 in 2021. Then in 2022 I will have to show my updated financials, and pay more in CS....even though I no longer have the graveyard shift job and back to only working my regular job. So I guess you would have to factor that in and save accordingly while making the extra dough in 2021?

To repeat myself:

Essentially, you paid less support in 2021 than you should have (since it was based on 2020) but you will pay more in 2022 than you should since it will be based on 2021.

You earned $12k. You have to pay CS on it at some point. You could have done it right away in 2021, or you can do it in 2022. You can't just decide to not pay it.

But in December 2021 I realized I was turning into a zombie and quit as its not healthy.

It could be worse, your ex could have felt that you were just whining and a judge could have imputed the 12k as permanent income.

You have to be out of your mind to do a side hustle if you pay CS. Your take home could easily be under 30% of the gross of the side hustle once you factor in taxes and CS. Even worse, unless it is a business, you don't get to deduct the costs of earning the extra income, which mean that the costs are entirely born by you and your ex just gets the rewards. Likely your ex will get more money from the side hustle than you.

Moreover, I want to be fresh and have energy for my parenting days.

Your kids could spend more time with the mother, so that you can stay "fresh" and the kids overall can have more money available. That might be in the best interests of your children.

 

[pinkHouses]

To repeat myself:

Your kids could spend more time with the mother, so that you can stay "fresh" and the kids overall can have more money available. That might be in the best interests of your children.

I hope that is sarcasm.

 

[Brampton33]

Your kids could spend more time with the mother, so that you can stay "fresh" and the kids overall can have more money available. That might be in the best interests of your children.

That comment reeks of someone feeling bitter and is completely uncalled for and inappropriate. Congrats on getting reported to the site administrators. You are in no position to comment about the best interest of my children. I will refrain from making any disparaging remarks about you, despite the temptation.

I sought input from this thread on whether it was worth it or not to take on an extra job in my spare time. I have 50/50 parenting of my kids and find that when the kids are with their mother, I have extra time on my hands. That is all.

Others have provided good advice. One poster mentioned not to bother and stick with my primary 9-5 job only. Another mentioned to try to find under the table gigs. Both provided good advice. It is a valid thought to me that I don't want to burn the candle at both ends and burn out. I also learned that I would have to cover the added CS in the following year for the extra money earned the year prior. That is good information to know and I appreciate learning that from this forum rather than through paid counsel.

 

[Janus]

Congrats on getting reported to the site administrators.

I am devastated. I expect to be removed from the forum any second now so I'll try to keep this brief.

You are in no position to comment about the best interest of my children.

I am a member of a forum where you asked a question, I clearly am in that position.

I will refrain from making any disparaging remarks about you, despite the temptation.

Disparage away. You don't know me, what could you possibly say that would be of consequence to me?

I sought input from this thread on whether it was worth it or not to take on an extra job in my spare time.

The kids would have access to more money, so it is definitely worth it to the kids.

I have extra time on my hands.

Sounds like time you could be earning dolla bills yo!

Another mentioned to try to find under the table gigs. Both provided good advice.

Illegal. Better hope your ex doesn't find out about it.

 

[Tayken]

That comment reeks of someone feeling bitter and is completely uncalled for and inappropriate.

Actually, basically what Janus told you is what judges tell people in their court rooms every day. Janus just tends to make it more direct. Suffice to say, Janus is probably one of the most important and most valuable contributors to this forum. You should pay close attention to his sharp but very important contributions to this forum.

Congrats on getting reported to the site administrators.

Thank you for making me laugh out loud. Suffice to say Jeff and Blink are laughing too probably. Just be grateful that Mess is no longer contributing on this forum.

You are in no position to comment about the best interest of my children.

Reminder: You are on a forum... where people use fake names... LOL.

I will refrain from making any disparaging remarks about you, despite the temptation.

Trust me... Having been here for a while... and Janus too. We have both seen the full extent of "disparaging remarks" that can be hurled. There were a lot more "resourceful" posters in the past... Your time here is limited I suspect...

I sought input from this thread on whether it was worth it or not to take on an extra job in my spare time. I have 50/50 parenting of my kids and find that when the kids are with their mother, I have extra time on my hands. That is all.

Use that time wisely.

Others have provided good advice. One poster mentioned not to bother and stick with my primary 9-5 job only. Another mentioned to try to find under the table gigs. Both provided good advice.

Clean your place. Pre-prepare the meals for when your children return so you have more time with the children. Do all household chores that would otherwise substract time with your children. Use your time wisely.

It is a valid thought to me that I don't want to burn the candle at both ends and burn out. I also learned that I would have to cover the added CS in the following year for the extra money earned the year prior. That is good information to know and I appreciate learning that from this forum rather than through paid counsel.

You can also learn that from a google search or reading a parenting book too.

Get over yourself... or you will rage quit this forum like so many other people trying to give and get good advice...

 

[Tayken]

Sounds like time you could be earning dolla bills yo!

 

[rockscan]

Whenever I read anything from Janus I think of Leonard on Big Bang holding up the handwritten sign that says “sarcasm”.

You’re on an online anonymous forum. If you are getting your knickers in a knot about sarcasm you are never going to survive in court.

 

[Tayken]

Whenever I read anything from Janus I think of Leonard on Big Bang holding up the handwritten sign that says �sarcasm�.

You�re on an online anonymous forum. If you are getting your knickers in a knot about sarcasm you are never going to survive in court.

You forgot the obligatory "my friend" comment at the end of this statement... Like how a good barrister does it when presenting a sarcastic argument back to the other side... or their "friend".

 

[Janus]

I've honestly seen some judgements that actually said that crap though: That the kids would be better spending more time with one parent because it would leave the other parent free to make more money.

Obviously not written as explicitly as that, but that was essentially the judgement.

I thought Brampton knew my position: I get pissed off at fathers (or even mothers to be honest) who accept less than 50% parenting time. It was funny though that he potentially reported me over it.

 

[pinkHouses]

We all have different lives and some are under tremendous stress and edge. It did come across as a bit rough. Money is the root of most evils in Family Court.
Brampton dad is doesn't want to loose time with their kids and it feels like an uphill battle when one parent has a better standard of living than the other.

I think the difference is something that can be overcome, it isn't easy but it can be.

A warning here is....judges can be very unfair, don't give an opening for this; chose words carefully.

 

[Brampton33]

I did survive court and quite successfully if I may mention. I saw lots of junk in my proceedings and honestly think the whole system needs reform.

My comments to the existing thread were in line with the OP, which really relates to whether or not one should bother getting a 2nd source of income on the days they do not have their children. I do have 50/50 parenting so Janus need not get so frazzled.

From what it has been said, if one were to roll up their sleeves and take on a 2md job when not with kids, they would pay more taxes and more CS, and therefore would likely see only 1/3 of the extra money generated.

It sounds like the time would be better spent cleaning the house, preparing meals, and planning activities for when they are with the kids. Thank you all for the lively conversation.

 

[Tayken]

PinkHouses and Brampton33

Your PSTD-like reactions from family law is showing. I encourage both of you to see out CBT. You are both over-thinking edge cases based on your current or past family law experiences I suspect.

 

[Tayken]

I did survive court and quite successfully if I may mention. I saw lots of junk in my proceedings and honestly think the whole system needs reform.

Has said about 28 people who came into this forum like a lion just like you. Stop being a social justice super hero and focus on being a parent. Come back in a year after the clear anxieties that are influencing some of your bad "advice". You are a good enough contributor but, you are over focused on edge cases that are near impossible. Its clouding your opinions and "advice"... Its showing through. This quote is an example.

You haven't survived "successfully" in my opinion based on what you have been posting here...

Note: Your response to this message, which I suspect will come, will be predictable to me and other experienced posters like Janus, Blinkandimgone, etc...

Either come here for advice or come here to give it. I find the contributors that ride the fence like you are doing create nothing more than confusion.

 

[pinkHouses]

PinkHouses and Brampton33

Your PSTD-like reactions from family law is showing. I encourage both of you to see out CBT. You are both over-thinking edge cases based on your current or past family law experiences I suspect.

Janus just stated I wasn't wrong on this financial piece.
It may have sounded edge based to you but it is a reality for me and continues.
I would not say I have done well with the court system it has been a circus and often a farce due to a lawyer playing games with the system, judges and other lawyers. Lawyers love the income too.

PTSD for me, yep but not as bad as it was.

 

[Brampton33]

Going to throw a twist in the thread here. Throughout my divorce, I learned my ex's true colours, which is that she lies like an 8 year old, manipulates, and then when gets caught/called out on it, acts all aloof as its no big deal. A true schemer.

I have good reason to believe my ex has a side gig and other sources of income that are taxable/count as income. And of course to not disclose it so that my CS payments to her are not lowered. How can I bring this to light?

I would not be surprised if she files her tax returns with her day job only to get a tax assessment showing her day job only as Line 150 income, which she then discloses to me. Then CRA catches up and re-assesses her tacking on her other sources of taxable income and does a "re-assessment" showing her true line 150. Is this plausible? Advice welcomed.

 

[rockscan]

You can ask for any reassessments she may receive but if she lies, she will say she wasn’t reassessed.

Do you have serious proof to back it up? Because you could ask for bank statements and credit applications too. Having proof she is working (like photos or social media posts etc) would get her to provide it without court.

Again you have to ask if it’s enough to make it worth the fight. A few bucks is nothing in the grand scheme of things but some people say even a dollar is worth it for them.

 

[pinkHouses]

I have good reason to believe my ex has a side gig and other sources of income that are taxable/count as income. And of course to not disclose it so that my CS payments to her are not lowered. How can I bring this to light?

What is your good reason to believe?
With jobs that are done at home on the computer you would need an income statement or bank records showing deposits or a person to testify that they are indeed employed somewhere.

Evidence you need to convince a judge to get the records?
If someone is working at a physical place you can hire someone to gather that evidence; expensive unless it is just them showing up with a hidden camera and engaging with them. Then you wait for the tax return OR if your court order states that they are to inform you of employment changes.

If you get lucky they post on social media or are listed as employed.

I would not be surprised if she files her tax returns with her day job only to get a tax assessment showing her day job only as Line 150 income, which she then discloses to me. Then CRA catches up and re-assesses her tacking on her other sources of taxable income and does a "re-assessment" showing her true line 150. Is this plausible? Advice welcomed.

You can ask for any reassessments she may receive but if she lies, she will say she wasn�t reassessed.

Trust. Trust should have no place or standing when it comes to this type thing.
The CRA Online portal shows all the reassessments done on one single page.
The CRA can write a letter showing all the reassessments done.

It should be a requirements for those involved to release hard copies of this. Trust has no place here.

I don't know what the law says or what evidence is currently needed to get this disclosed.

 

[Brampton33]

Are there any repercussions for the other side not properly disclosing annually? Filing their taxes showing $X income and getting a Notice of Assessment showing $X income, to only get re-assessed later with $Y income? Whereby they simply play aloof and say "oops". My ex has a history of acting in such ways, whereby its always "oops".