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WorkingDAD
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Probably to open credit line on your name ... (just kidding)
I have now idea why he asked that I would think he has no legal rights to do so. I actually black out all account numbers SIN number and any sensitive info on my papers filed in court ...
I have now idea why he asked that I would think he has no legal rights to do so. I actually black out all account numbers SIN number and any sensitive info on my papers filed in court ...
Well now, I think that calls for a nice reply to her lawyer, asking why he wants it.
Then send a followup email asking if maybe there is some specific piece of information that he/she is after that you might be able to provide it directly.
He has only to get back to you again and ask.
Then send a followup email asking if maybe there is some specific piece of information that he/she is after that you might be able to provide it directly.
He has only to get back to you again and ask.
WorkingDAD
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My Ex wife lawyer just asked me for my Social Insurance number. Why would he want this?
OK I being curious and decided to confirm my gut feelings
here yuo go
Who can ask for my SIN and when don't I have to provide my SIN?
The most common uses of your Social Insurance Number (SIN) are for:
your employer
your income tax information
financial institutions from which you earn interest or income (for example, banks, credit unions, trust companies)
Canada Pension Plan (CPP) or Régie des rentes du Québec (RRQ) benefits
Employment Insurance (EI) program benefits
Canada Education Savings Grants (CESG) and Registered Education Savings Plans (RESP)
Child Tax Benefit
Canada Student Loans
Goods and Services Tax (GST) / Harmonized Sales Tax (HST) claims
Social assistance benefits
Veterans benefits and programs
Workers Compensation benefits
child support payments.
For a complete listingl and brief description of the federal legislation and programs which are specifically permitted to use the SIN.
When don’t I have to provide my SIN?
Some private-sector organizations may ask for your SIN. This practice is strongly discouraged, but it is not illegal.
Here are examples of when you don’t have to give your Social Insurance Number or show your card:
proving your identity (except for specific government programs)
completing a job application before you get the job
completing an application to rent a property
negotiating a lease with a landlord
completing credit card application
cashing a cheque
applying for a video club membership
completing some banking transactions (mortgage, line of credit, loan)
completing a medical questionnaire
renting a car
subscribing to long-distance or cellular telephone services
writing a will
applying to a university or college.
WorkingDAD
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Hey!
You would not believe it.... I was on service canada web site and it just strike to me. At the end of the Legal Assistance
Just follow order of the events.. that would be so funny but that so sad enstead...
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You would not believe it.... I was on service canada web site and it just strike to me. At the end of the Legal Assistance
Just follow order of the events.. that would be so funny but that so sad enstead...
Life Events
Getting Divorced
Lost Wallet
Managing Your Debt
What to Do Following a Death
See all life events
it's getting better
in Income Assistance section:
Life Events
Having a Baby - isn't it odd ???? )
Finding a Job
Managing Your Debt
Retirement
Starting Post-Secondary Education
See all life events
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frustrated11
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if she is paying you spousal she would need it to file her income tax
FRO will ask your SIN on the form you both filled out at the beginning. Being in the middle of a Family Law trial, my ex has requested I provide one of my daughters SIN to replace a Life Insurance he cashed and terminated as per Court ORder. No judge over the past 11 years made an Order for me to provide the children's SIN, but did write an order for the agent to contact me DIRECTLY. It turned out that since my daughter was a minor then, the SIN of the adult, person taking the policy is required and NOT the child. Now that she is 19 yrs of age, I received a letter from the London Life agent and the main office stating I do not have to provide a SIN, and according to the Ontario Privacy Commisionner, a SIN is not required as per listed by Working Dad!
Since he has not replaced the policy being in "breech of court order", he now states to the Court since I refused to provide our daughter's SIN, he opened a bank acount in her name instead to replace the cash value he cashed on the policy. Nowhere in any of the financial statement it lists a bank account being opened, and will NOT provide his bank accounts number as per asked on the Financial Statement. I asked my legal representative at the time and she said that bank accounts number are used if needed by FRO and other financial agencies such as Revenue Canada Agency when monies is owed.
He is now asking again for both daughters SIN as his new wife contacted the OSAP office to obtain information as one daughter was attending college having completed her first year; and the other will be starting in September. I sent him all of our 2010 income tax returns and Notice of Assessments blanking out the SIN, but him and his wife again insist I provide the SIN since Section 7 is the major issue being dealt with at trial. We are both unrepresented and I could NOT find anywhere on the internet if legally I have to provide SIN. If I did give the children's which are 17 and 19, what can he do with their SIN? I have provided documents from OSAP, therefore, unsure what they need the SIN numbers for? to replace the insurance policy, he needs her to fill out a medical questionaire.
Anyone has any idea why he would require SIN of both daughters?
Since he has not replaced the policy being in "breech of court order", he now states to the Court since I refused to provide our daughter's SIN, he opened a bank acount in her name instead to replace the cash value he cashed on the policy. Nowhere in any of the financial statement it lists a bank account being opened, and will NOT provide his bank accounts number as per asked on the Financial Statement. I asked my legal representative at the time and she said that bank accounts number are used if needed by FRO and other financial agencies such as Revenue Canada Agency when monies is owed.
He is now asking again for both daughters SIN as his new wife contacted the OSAP office to obtain information as one daughter was attending college having completed her first year; and the other will be starting in September. I sent him all of our 2010 income tax returns and Notice of Assessments blanking out the SIN, but him and his wife again insist I provide the SIN since Section 7 is the major issue being dealt with at trial. We are both unrepresented and I could NOT find anywhere on the internet if legally I have to provide SIN. If I did give the children's which are 17 and 19, what can he do with their SIN? I have provided documents from OSAP, therefore, unsure what they need the SIN numbers for? to replace the insurance policy, he needs her to fill out a medical questionaire.
Anyone has any idea why he would require SIN of both daughters?
TLCRN, I honestly can't fathom why you would not share the children's SINs. It seems to me a reasonable request and you have been dragging this out for years, you are being unco-operative and spending time and money on legal advice so that you can keep information about the other parent's children secret?
Have you a single factual reason to keep the information secret?
You have gone out of your way to disprove the need for the SIN for insurance, but who cares? I've dealt with insurance agents and other financial reps for decades. They aren't experts in anything other than sales. It's totally likely that the form had a space for the SIN so they asked for it, end of story. There's no evidence of some conspiracy on the part of the other parent, and there is nothing he can do with the SIN that will harm you or the children.
You seem to be committed to maintaining an antagonistic relationship and putting the antagonism ahead of co-operation in your list of priorities. This could have ceased to be an issue years ago.
When my ex and I split up, we made photocopies of the children's BC, SIN and health card and we each keep copies in a file. The originals will go back and forth as needed. As far as I'm concerned this should be the standard for any reasonable situation. If you feel you have evidence that your ex will commit some criminal act with the ID then you should bring that forward to the courts, otherwise let it go and co-operate.
Have you a single factual reason to keep the information secret?
You have gone out of your way to disprove the need for the SIN for insurance, but who cares? I've dealt with insurance agents and other financial reps for decades. They aren't experts in anything other than sales. It's totally likely that the form had a space for the SIN so they asked for it, end of story. There's no evidence of some conspiracy on the part of the other parent, and there is nothing he can do with the SIN that will harm you or the children.
You seem to be committed to maintaining an antagonistic relationship and putting the antagonism ahead of co-operation in your list of priorities. This could have ceased to be an issue years ago.
When my ex and I split up, we made photocopies of the children's BC, SIN and health card and we each keep copies in a file. The originals will go back and forth as needed. As far as I'm concerned this should be the standard for any reasonable situation. If you feel you have evidence that your ex will commit some criminal act with the ID then you should bring that forward to the courts, otherwise let it go and co-operate.
Good for you. You and your ex were able to exchange material and so fourth, but unfortunetely, NOT everyone is able to do this and as everyone knows being common sense, every situation is different. First, the Judge at the Case Conference wrote an order for the SIN NOT to be given to my ex and yes the children were minors at the time; Second, there was a restraining order and criminal charges with jail time; third, my laywer has had the children's SIN from the beginning; fourth, a different judges made an order for the chidlren's school and address to be obliterated, and this was the OCL lawyer who requested such. I wasn't in court for that motion but the judge must have had a good reason for this, don't you agree? Keep in mind Judges have to be a lawyer for at least 25 years before becoming judges, I am sure they have seen every case possible; Five, there is also an order for him to provide me with his address, telephone number, email address and not the opposite. Hum..I wonder why that is?? He had supervised access at the center which THEY cancelled as the visits didn't go well (I wasn't there and between the OCL lawyer and the center); Six, it has been dragging on for years and not because I was uncooperative like you say, but because he left for Jaimaica in the middle of a assessment ordered by the courts, and while the matrimonial home was for sale making it very difficult to deal with issues. It is so easy for one like you to talk and make your own assumption thinking it is always the other parties fault. Before making assumptions, and false accusations, I would take a good look at the whole pictures. My question was for someone who knows why ones needs the children's SIN especially since there is a Court Order not to provide it directly to him? same with asking for the children's birth certificate, and passport??
WorkingDAD
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Good for you. You and your ex were able to exchange material and so fourth, but unfortunetely, NOT everyone is able to do this and as everyone knows being common sense, every situation is different. First, the Judge at the Case Conference wrote an order for the SIN NOT to be given to my ex and yes the children were minors at the time; Second, there was a restraining order and criminal charges with jail time; third, my laywer has had the children's SIN from the beginning; fourth, a different judges made an order for the chidlren's school and address to be obliterated, and this was the OCL lawyer who requested such. I wasn't in court for that motion but the judge must have had a good reason for this, don't you agree? Keep in mind Judges have to be a lawyer for at least 25 years before becoming judges, I am sure they have seen every case possible; Five, there is also an order for him to provide me with his address, telephone number, email address and not the opposite. Hum..I wonder why that is?? He had supervised access at the center which THEY cancelled as the visits didn't go well (I wasn't there and between the OCL lawyer and the center); Six, it has been dragging on for years and not because I was uncooperative like you say, but because he left for Jaimaica in the middle of a assessment ordered by the courts, and while the matrimonial home was for sale making it very difficult to deal with issues. It is so easy for one like you to talk and make your own assumption thinking it is always the other parties fault. Before making assumptions, and false accusations, I would take a good look at the whole pictures. My question was for someone who knows why ones needs the children's SIN especially since there is a Court Order not to provide it directly to him? same with asking for the children's birth certificate, and passport??
just because judge make an order does not mean it's right and should not be questioned. Especially in Family Law...
I like that one about being at least 25 years a lawyer ... Kind of answer for all questions whay we have such @#$@#$@^@^ system ...
I have to ask the question which I posted somewhere else with a not so nice of a response from MESS. Why would my ex request the children's SIN after there is an Order for me to provided it NOT to him but to the insurance agent only as there is an order for him to replace one of the children's life policy with a cash value he cashed and terminated. One is a minor and the other now an adult. I do realize we are both their parents. Although I do have full custody, were safety issues, with a restaining order in place and history of criminal charges, and an Order for the children's school to be obliterated obtained by the OCL lawyer, and for him to provide his address, telephone number and email to give to the chidlren and NOT the opposite, according to MESS I am being quote: the one being "uncoperative" by not providing the children's SIN, dragging this through the court system which I don't quite understand as the SIN is not the reason it has been in the courts so long.
What can one do with the children's SIN, and a birth certificate? what would be the reason to request such. He also requested their passports~
What can one do with the children's SIN, and a birth certificate? what would be the reason to request such. He also requested their passports~
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WORKING DAD, I agree, because Judge made an order doesn't mean it's right but one still have to abide by the Order, and they are the ones who have the last decision whether we like it or not!
I said 25 years as this is what one Judge said when my ex was argued with him which was confirmed by my lawyer; same goes with being on the board as a "children's lawyer".... the system is far from being perfect that's for sure~
I said 25 years as this is what one Judge said when my ex was argued with him which was confirmed by my lawyer; same goes with being on the board as a "children's lawyer".... the system is far from being perfect that's for sure~
WorkingDAD
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WORKING DAD, I agree, because Judge made an order doesn't mean it's right but one still have to abide by the Order, and they are the ones who have the last decision whether we like it or not!
I said 25 years as this is what one Judge said when my ex was argued with him which was confirmed by my lawyer; same goes with being on the board as a "children's lawyer".... the system is far from being perfect that's for sure~
Or really... That probably will be shock for you but court order in family lat just peace of paper what does not worse paper it printed on ...
I am not saying that you ex innocent or whatsoever (I do not know). But knowing how many people go thru hell just because the system so !$!@%@#$^@# would not surprise me if he is one of them ...
and again my understanding that judge make an order on what you lawyer ask and be able to prove necessary... What any criminal charges has to do with child BS or SIN? Just wondering...
you say court orders are just a piece of paper, then go ahead ignore them if you wish... I prefer to follow them, especially in my kind of work....oh wait, I forgot, I wouldn't have a job if I didn't follow Laws...I guess I would have to ask for Spousal support, CS, expenses and the list goes on. Perhaps you can give some advice how to do this and screw the system as I suprise as you may be, I have no idea. You assumed my ex is one of them who had gone thru hell classifying him with the rest of you who have gone thru it....WRONG.
Just because you went through hell, doesn't mean every one else is or did! It takes two to get married, have children, argue and get divorced. One is to blame as much as the other one!
to say Judges make an order on what my lawyer ask and be able to prove necessary is INCORECT! FYI my lawyer didn't ask for some of the Orders made; it was requested by the OCL lawyer appointed by the Courts requested by my ex. My lawyer and I were NOT at the court appearance. You know the saying: "be careful what you wish for".
I was answering MESS post regarding providing SIN, Birth Cert., passports for the children unless there are criminal charges, restraining order etc....
Just because you went through hell, doesn't mean every one else is or did! It takes two to get married, have children, argue and get divorced. One is to blame as much as the other one!
to say Judges make an order on what my lawyer ask and be able to prove necessary is INCORECT! FYI my lawyer didn't ask for some of the Orders made; it was requested by the OCL lawyer appointed by the Courts requested by my ex. My lawyer and I were NOT at the court appearance. You know the saying: "be careful what you wish for".
I was answering MESS post regarding providing SIN, Birth Cert., passports for the children unless there are criminal charges, restraining order etc....
WorkingDAD
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that what police said to me when I asked to enforce court ordered access what mom ignoring regularly...you say court orders are just a piece of paper, then go ahead ignore them if you wish... I prefer to follow them, especially in my kind of work....oh wait, I forgot, I wouldn't have a job if I didn't follow Laws...I guess I would have to ask for Spousal support, CS, expenses and the list goes on. Perhaps you can give some advice how to do this and screw the system as I suprise as you may be, I have no idea.
You assumed my ex is one of them who had gone thru hell classifying him with the rest of you who have gone thru it....WRONG.
Just because you went through hell, doesn't mean every one else is or did! It takes two to get married, have children, argue and get divorced. One is to blame as much as the other one!
you missed a point here...
to say Judges make an order on what my lawyer ask and be able to prove necessary is INCORECT! FYI my lawyer didn't ask for some of the Orders made; it was requested by the OCL lawyer appointed by the Courts requested by my ex. My lawyer and I were NOT at the court appearance. You know the saying: "be careful what you wish for".
After my personal experience with OCL I have very little trust to thous too.. The same club. Keeping each other on payroll - main goal...
I was answering MESS post regarding providing SIN, Birth Cert., passports for the children unless there are criminal charges, restraining order etc....
so what was justification from OCL what you have such an believe as child only protector to not give fater SIN and BS..
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