How much do kids' eye glasses cost, these days? Is that what they cost? Or is that for some fancy, top-of-the-line designer glasses? Man, I hope my kids don't need glasses anytime soon.
Section 7(1)(c) - Health-related expenses that exceed insurance reimbursement
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How much do kids' eye glasses cost, these days? Is that what they cost? Or is that for some fancy, top-of-the-line designer glasses? Man, I hope my kids don't need glasses anytime soon.
standing on the sidelines
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to me if mom wants to take the kids on the trip then the cost of the vaccination is part of the cost of the trip. If they were not going they wouldn't be needing the shot.
Berner_Faith
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I agree...but here is another question... if Dad is planning a trip for the kids as well next year, the same shot would be required, but the kids wouldn't require it again because they were already vaccinated. So Mom has the expense for her trip and Dad wouldn't have that expense.
standing on the sidelines
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now in that case I would expect the dad to pay his share for the initial shot then. He is getting a benefit out of the shot also then.
Last pair of glasses for kid were $300 and that was lenses only as she just used the old frames. Then she also paid for $200 in contact lenses and a $150 pair of prescription swim goggles. Tack on the $150 in lens solution and you understand why I say WTF?? I wore the same glasses for 14 years because we were on social assistance as a child.
maxwellsmart
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Section 7(1)(c) - Health-related expenses that exceed insurance reimbursement
The Federal Department of Justice
guides state the following in their discussion of special or extraordinary :
" your child’s health-care needs that exceed $100 per year if the cost is not covered by insurance (for example, orthodontics, counselling, medication or eye care)"
In my view , although I'm not a lawyer,
The first 100 of uninsured medical expenses per annum is not to be shared unless the order has language that deviates from the guidelines in this regard.
Also don't forget that if the parent has claimed or is entitled to claim the medical tax credit on their tax return the NCP should only share in the net of tax cost.
The Federal Department of Justice
guides state the following in their discussion of special or extraordinary :
" your child’s health-care needs that exceed $100 per year if the cost is not covered by insurance (for example, orthodontics, counselling, medication or eye care)"
In my view , although I'm not a lawyer,
The first 100 of uninsured medical expenses per annum is not to be shared unless the order has language that deviates from the guidelines in this regard.
Also don't forget that if the parent has claimed or is entitled to claim the medical tax credit on their tax return the NCP should only share in the net of tax cost.
Maggie82
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Just got off the phone with our lawyer who has just returned from vacation. He clarified this guideline for us. Turns out that BOTH Mom and Dad were correct.
Hope this helps:
With regards to section 7.(1).(c) of the Child Support Guidelines, which states: “health-related expenses that exceed insurance reimbursement by at least $100 annually, including orthodontic treatment, professional counselling provided by a psychologist, social worker, psychiatrist or any other person, physiotherapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy and prescription drugs, hearing aids, glasses and contact lenses,” the law intends the costs to be shared as described below:
Therefore, if the cost of the expense is $100 or more, it is automatically shared regardless of whether there were any expenses prior to that particular $100+ expense. Any expenses that are under $100, their totals add up until they exceed $100, at which point any future expenses, regardless of the cost, will be shared proportionately.
Hope this helps clarify things for some of you!
Hope this helps:
With regards to section 7.(1).(c) of the Child Support Guidelines, which states: “health-related expenses that exceed insurance reimbursement by at least $100 annually, including orthodontic treatment, professional counselling provided by a psychologist, social worker, psychiatrist or any other person, physiotherapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy and prescription drugs, hearing aids, glasses and contact lenses,” the law intends the costs to be shared as described below:
- Any health-related expenses that exceed insurance reimbursement by at least $100 (therefore, a cost of $100 or above) shall be shared proportionately;
- Any health-related expenses that exceed insurance reimbursement by less than $100 (therefore, a cost of $99.99 or less) shall accumulate until their total exceeds $100 annually, at which time, any future health-related expenses that exceed insurance reimbursement shall be shared proportionately until the year’s end.
Therefore, if the cost of the expense is $100 or more, it is automatically shared regardless of whether there were any expenses prior to that particular $100+ expense. Any expenses that are under $100, their totals add up until they exceed $100, at which point any future expenses, regardless of the cost, will be shared proportionately.
Hope this helps clarify things for some of you!
Maggie82
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maxwellsmart
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Maggie that's very clear. Good work!
Section 7(1)(c) - Health-related expenses that exceed insurance reimbursement
Im bumping this with a new question.
My partners ex said she was going to submit medical expenses and said "counseling". This is the first he has heard of this and never agreed to any therapy. In fact, the kids refused the therapy he agreed to when they divorced. He couldnt make them go with him and his ex likes to play the "I cant force them to do..." card when it comes to anything he wants. Their agreement says they will agree to future s7 expenses and in the medical section lists medical care definitions "medical means...psychological counseling...". If its listed in the medical section is it automatic? Even if this therapy encourages them to severe their relationship with their parent?
Im bumping this with a new question.
My partners ex said she was going to submit medical expenses and said "counseling". This is the first he has heard of this and never agreed to any therapy. In fact, the kids refused the therapy he agreed to when they divorced. He couldnt make them go with him and his ex likes to play the "I cant force them to do..." card when it comes to anything he wants. Their agreement says they will agree to future s7 expenses and in the medical section lists medical care definitions "medical means...psychological counseling...". If its listed in the medical section is it automatic? Even if this therapy encourages them to severe their relationship with their parent?
A couple of questions:
How money is involved? Is it enough to make this a battle worth fighting?
What exactly does she mean by "counselling"? It's a really broad term, could cover anything from talking to a social worker (not exactly a medical expense) to an evaluation by a psychiatrist (clearly medical).
How money is involved? Is it enough to make this a battle worth fighting?
What exactly does she mean by "counselling"? It's a really broad term, could cover anything from talking to a social worker (not exactly a medical expense) to an evaluation by a psychiatrist (clearly medical).
In the fall she told him kid needed new glasses and tooth extraction. Thats it. She tried to get him to pay for the first kids therapy several years ago and he said no because that therapist "suggested" she stop speaking to him. Now suddenly ex has sent an email stating she will be sending whatever her benefits don't cover for eye care and counseling so he know nothing about these expenses other than she has receipts. Remember too that he hears from this woman only when she wants money. Nothing else. When he spoke with her during the holidays she flat out told him she was respecting kids wishes to share nothing with him.