Sandra Levesque - OCL Investigator

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suzukiguy72

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Hi,

I am curious if anyone else has had contact with Sandra Levesque. She is a social worker that acts as a Clinical Investigator or Social worker Assist with the Office of the Children's Lawyer.

She works out of Ottawa.

Her testimony was creative.

Thanks!
 
CanLII - 2011 ONSC 2101 (CanLII)

A very interesting case, the mother originally had sole custody and wanted to move to the US with the children to marry a man she had met online.

The father lived out of town, was NCP and had no car and had to take the train and a bus to have access to the kids. The father was unrepresented.

Sandra Levesque's OCL report came down hard on the mother and she recommended a change to joint custody and denial of mobility (moving the children to the US.)

The judge agreed with the OCL report and found in favour of the father.
 
I would surmise the Sandra recommendation didn't come down hard on the mother or in favour of the father. Moving and/or uprooting the children from their indigenous city is always balked at by the courts( rightly or wronging in any given scenario). Even if she endorsed the mothers move a judge likely would have kept the children in the area.

What I see as a systemic problem with the OCL investigators is their clear lack of support for equal shared parenting. That seems to the common Gorilla in the room with those folks.
 
Before you surmise that, read the decision I linked to on Canlii. Her recommedation indeed came down hard on the mother. Sorry to burst your balloon.

The father wasn't seeking shared parenting, just joint custody. The shared parenting gorilla was at the zoo that day.
 
Just had OCL complete an assesment from a social worker who also came down hard on the mother - and also went for shared parenting.

Now if only I can get that to stick and get x to agree to it...
 
Are we a bit touchy today Mess? I don't invest much personal identity or ego strength in my comments on this forum, more of a free association thing.

Regardless of Sandra's displeasure with the mother( I will take your word on it) she recommended the children stay put and THAT is what is relevant. You are trying to frame her as either pro mom or dad and that is reckless. In that particular recommendation she was pro child.

Mess, seriously, can anything of real value be extrapolated from one recommendation from a OCL investigator?

Or howbout this... courts don't like to uproot children from thier neighborhood/school/friends/etc........OCL investigators knows this and does not like her recommendations thrown out by the courts , not good for the part time OCL career , besides baby needs new shoes. OCL recommends children stay put and while were are at it trow a little harmless vitriol on the mother as this gives the illusion the OCL is in fact gender neutral.
 
Don't throw stones from out of a glass house.

suzuki asked for info on the worker, I found some and provided it. I have no further agenda here.

You commented and made assumptions about her report without having read what I linked to, and the judge's decision refers directly to her report and quotes it and it is the opposite of what you claimed it to be?

I simply don't know what the hell you are talking about, and it seems like you simply came in here knowing nothing about Levesque but with a preconceived bias against the OCL and that you wanted to rage.

Nothing you've posted subsequently changes my mind about that.
 

Very interesting ! Is it common that the courts do not make both parties equally responsible for travel expenses ? I personally believe it is wrong that she isn't also responsible for half of the expenses for their dad to see the children when it is his turn for visitation. Both parents should be responsible to ensure a relationship is maintained with their ex (in the majority of cases...).

[23] However, the joint custody order is not without conditions. Ms. Levesque recognized that the applicant’s responsibilities for the children should not change. I find that the following conditions apply to the joint custody regime:
d. The respondent is responsible for all the travel involved in having the children in his care.
 
Mess pal, buddy.
"....against the OCL and that you wanted to rage". Messatola you have a very low bar for defining rage. OCL has a pro mother bias, has no problem proclaiming it and will defend their position/bias if you ask them. This is well understood amongst lawyers. I personally didn't ask for your views about the OCL.

Having said that, I did say in other words how the fuck you can draw any useful conclusions about this worker from canLII? I don't have to waste my fuckin time reading CanLII to get the inside this womans world view.

Suziki,
If you get what you wanted from the OCL feel truly blessed, If you don't get what you want seek solace in the fact your case fell underneath the bell curve.
 
Perhaps I should clarify.

Sandra was engaged as a witness to testify on my child's behalf and didn't do the normal investigation.

She was acting in the capacity of a Social Worker Assist.

The process seems very strange, and she testified in court that it was normal to have the position of the OCL disclosed to her by the lawyer representing my child before she started her investigation. She also claimed that this did not impact her investigation. It is hard to believe.

Also... the original lawyer didn't forward the file to her or to the second lawyer. It was pretty botched and I let them have it in my closing argument.

She was content to draw wild conclusions about me and I am the custodial parent. My child has been with me primarily for over 5 years. She had almost nothing to testify about regarding my ex and didn't seem to know anything about the environment that my child would be going into.

I was surprised how intertwined the OCL was with my ex's lawyer. They bounced questions off of each other and were clearly working together.

The whole process seems strange to me. They don't do a report so you have no idea what they are going to say until you get into trial, when it is too late to call witnesses to rebut what they are saying.

Their disclosure meeting had little substance to it and was 5 days before the trial started.

She was very creative with her testimony at times and I am considering my options now.
 
First, readers should make sure they are referring to the right person.
Sandra Levesque is a common name, there are many of them in Ontario and Quebec in similar occupations with similar qualifications.


Any comments need to be clearly identified as to which Sandra Levesque they referring to.

The Sandra Levesque they are referring to is the
Sandra Levesque, MSW, RSW (Capital Choice) Ottawa and NOT one of the other numerous Sandra Levesque's that are also in Ottawa and Gatineau.

I've read that case, CanLII - 2011 ONSC 2101 (CanLII)




The case of Brown v. Brown, CanLII - 2011 ONSC 2101 (CanLII)
appears to be an advertisement for her rather than a report.
When you see such long winded words of praise by a judge
about someone who authored a report, it begs the question
as to WHY did the judge do that?

Odds are, he did it because he had concerns about the objectiveness
of the report and wanted to bury the matter.
That could be for "good" reasons or improper reasons.

So, What is in Brown v. Brown?


Sandra Levesque recommended "Supervised Access to the Father"
dressed up with "joint custody".

Now, these reports often have no resemblance to reality. But, IF,
we take some of the the judge said, I would not have given that
father anything more than supervised access either. But,
these reports are often a work of fiction dressed up to sound objective.
(That is, if I believed the entire report was correct)
From what I've read, I'd like to know a lot more before I drew the same conclusions.

There are some very disturbing aspects to the Brown v. Brown decision.
It's so disturbing that it begs the question as to if it was just another
fabrication to get rid of a father, or, it could all be very true.
The problem is, decisions are all often based upon false allegations that
could be nothing more that repetitions of "she said" without any corroboration.


Most of the reports like this are NEVER published.

My lawyer showed me several of her reports that were not published
and NONE Of them were favorable to the father.
I defy anyone to come up with ANY report by Sandra Levesque
that does not favour the mother.


Without exception, every report my lawyer could find out about
was favorable to mothers only. That makes her a great choice
if you are a woman.

At the end of the day, this report, Brown v. Brown, in effect made
serious allegations about the father, that somehow , warranted, that
draconian solution of "supervised access", the classic weapon of choice
used and justified with all the usual classic false allegations.

The mother most probably had her car and Trailer packed for the move to
Arkansas with the three children just as soon as the order was issued.

It's one of those remarkable "joint custody' decisions where the father was probably never ever going to be substantially involved with the children again. She had a lot at stake, three kids, child support, etc.

When the stakes are that high, lies and fabrications become the norm.


suzukiguy72 WROTE

Hi,

I am curious if anyone else has had contact with Sandra Levesque. She is a social worker that acts as a Clinical Investigator or Social worker Assist with the Office of the Children's Lawyer.

She works out of Ottawa.

Her testimony was creative.

Thanks!
 
The censorship on this forum
is unbelievable.

We are apparently not allowed to comment
about S.L. unless of course it paints her
as a mother terresa
 
I've read that case, CanLII - 2011 ONSC 2101 (CanLII)


The case of Brown v. Brown, CanLII - 2011 ONSC 2101 (CanLII)
appears to be an advertisement for her rather than a report.
When you see such long winded words of praise by a judge
about someone who authored a report, it begs the question
as to WHY did the judge do that?
Begging the question means making an assumption in your argument and then using the assumption to prove your argument. petitio principii.

In any case, the judge does not make "long winded words of praise," the judge briefly identifies how much experience the author has, which is required to establish whether or not they qualify as an expert witness. The judge is required to make such references in his decision.

Odds are, he did it because he had concerns about the objectiveness
of the report and wanted to bury the matter.
Exactly how do you calculate those odds? I strongly suspect you just make them up as you go along.

In this case, Levesque made serious criticisms of the mother's behaviour, pointed out that she and her fiance were taking active steps to alienate the children from the father, and the judge accepted this evidence.

So, please assume I am slow, explain to me in detail, step-by-step, what the issues were with objectiveness and what did the judge do to bury the matter?
So, What is in Brown v. Brown?
It seems you are last person one would want to ask, considering you either haven't read the case, or are distorting the contents beyond belief.

Sandra Levesque recommended "Supervised Access to the Father"
dressed up with "joint custody".
No, Sandra Levesque did not recommend supervised access for the father. You are making that up.

The fact that you made it up calls into question your own objectiveness, your credibility, your honesty, and your mental competence. The case is linked several times in this thread, most people would have no problem clicking on the link and reading it for themselves, and would realize how much you are fabricating. Why on earth would you write such a blatant lie if you were mentally competent? One possible reason is that you are assuming that most people would not read carefully through the entire case decision, and so your lies would be accepted by at least a portion of the readers. So which is it, are you an idiot, or are you a manipulative liar?

Now, these reports often have no resemblance to reality.
According to you you, whom we already have evidence about, that you are a manipulative liar. Or mentally incompetent. Coincidentally, you don't provide any factual evidence to support your statement.
But, IF, we take some of the the judge said, I would not have given that
father anything more than supervised access either.
Where in this decision do find the words "supervised access" with regard to the respondand, Mr. Brown?

But wait, perhaps the problem is with your reading comprehension skills. The actual quote from the decision is, "In addition she recommended that Mr. Bennett not be left unsupervised in the presence of the children." Now think carefully, even though I know this is hard for you. What is the name of the children's biological father? Is it Bennett, or is it Brown? Here is a hint: The case is Brown v. Brown.
But,
these reports are often a work of fiction dressed up to sound objective.
(That is, if I believed the entire report was correct)
From what I've read, I'd like to know a lot more before I drew the same conclusions.
We are already very concerned about whether you have actually read anything, or managed to understand it. We are also concerned that you once again are making completely unsubstantiated assertions, blanket statements about "these reports." You seem to feel that your assertion should be accepted as truth for the simple reason that you have made it, and you have the gall to do so in the same sentence that you question the veracity of not just one, but every professional in the employ of the OCL.

There are some very disturbing aspects to the Brown v. Brown decision.
And you have yet to point out a single one of them.
It's so disturbing that it begs the question
You really need to stop using that phrase, it emphasises how uneducated you are.
as to if it was just another fabrication to get rid of a father, or, it could all be very true.
Again, did you actually read this case, or are you a compulsive liar. Here is a news flash:

The father won the decision.

The father was only seeking joint custody. That is what the OCL investigator recommended, and that is what judge ordered.
The problem is
that you are either making all of this up, or you are so deluded that you actually believe your own nonsense.
decisions are all often based upon false allegations that could be nothing more that repetitions of "she said" without any corroboration.
Fascinating. The false allegation in this case was the mother's unsupported assertion - you and she seem to have a lot in common - that the father had a problem with drinking and drugs. The judge completely dismissed this as without any factual support, and refuted by the father's stable employment record.
Most of the reports like this are NEVER published.
You mean the reports that you make up in your mind so that you have fantasy scenarios to build paranoid consipiracy theories around?

My lawyer showed me several of her reports that were not published and NONE Of them were favorable to the father.
I defy anyone to come up with ANY report by Sandra Levesque
that does not favour the mother.
Your lawyer violated the privacy of his clients by showing you their unpublished personal information? What is the name of this lawyer?
Without exception, every report my lawyer could find out about was favorable to mothers only. That makes her a great choice if you are a woman.
I am curious exactly how it is that your lawyer has numerous . . . Oh, wait. You didn't say how many. I guess you mean two reports? And your lawyer broke confidentiality and showed you these reports? And we are to believe you for what reason, since you have so far shown yourself to be completely unreliable when it comes to writing truthful statements. A perfect example . . .
At the end of the day, this report, Brown v. Brown, in effect made serious allegations about the father, that somehow , warranted, that draconian solution of "supervised access", the classic weapon of choice used and justified with all the usual classic false allegations.
No, the report did not. The allegations were made about the mother's fiance, Mr. Bennett. The OCL investigator recommended that the fiance only have supervised access to the children, among other reasons for the fact that he, the fiance, not the biological father, had been speaking to the children about his pornography addiction.

So again, what we know is that your own statements are completely unreliable. What we don't know is if you are lieing mindfully to mislead us all, or if you deluding yourself to support your own paranoia, or if you are simply not capable of understanding what you read.

The mother most probably had her car and Trailer packed for the move to Arkansas with the three children just as soon as the order was issued.
The report from the OCL was to deny the mother the mobility order she had intitially requested. However, if you had actually carefully read and understood the judge's decision, the mother had withdrawn the application for mobility. If you were to read further, and understand what you were reading, you would have seen that the judge ordered that the mother could not take the children out of the country, even for a vacation, without the biological father's permission.

It's one of those remarkable "joint custody' decisions where the father was probably never ever going to be substantially involved with the children again. She had a lot at stake, three kids, child support, etc.
It's one of those remarkable reading comprehension failures, or possibly one of those remarkable manipulative lies on the part of yourself, we are still not sure which.

When the stakes are that high, lies and fabrications become the norm.
Well, you got that right, only you were really describing yourself.
 
"Standing on the sidelines"
Your attack is uncalled for and offensive,
and you are a moderator?


I simply replied to the post of suzukiguy72
regarding Sandra Levesque.

As staysingle says, OCL has a mother bias.
I'd like to hear of a single lawyer who works for the OCL
who is NOT biased in the favor of Mothers.

Sandra Levesque despite her extensive experience
is known as a mother's supporter.

That is common knowledge in Ottawa.

Now, if you don't like my comments, why did you
approve the posts of Susukiguy72 and stay single?

I'm just probably one of hundreds of fathers is aware
of Sandra Levesque.

My concern is that its a very common name, and I would not want any
of the other Sandra Levesque's being confused for the one referred to
in the Brown v. Brown decision where she recommended
"supervised access" to the father and basically labeled him
as one of the worst of society.

Thats a outcome that screams warnings
that the conclusions may well have been repetitions
of what "she said".



Thanks

Pierre.
 
I don't know what anyone else has tried to post, but my post was pretty clear.

She was either forced down a path by the lawyer or is completely incompetent in her own right. Either way, she failed to execute her duties with any kind of what you would call due dilligence. She also perjured herself in court.
 
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