Royal Road To Trial

Yep S&T .. I was confused about LAO mediation and LAO SC's also. I'm no pro at this either. But I give the facts as they occur .. and certainly haven't made anything up like you and your private message friends assume.

As I have stated before, I was a Legal Aid recipient. I made it to CC, and SC. No confidentiality agreements ever came my way.
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I didn't have to sign anything at my CC or SC either in terms of confidentiality. It's already in the FLR's. Only the LAO Settlement conference.

Goodom:
Very Tired of the whole bashing....move on and enjoy your life and leave others to living without the high critique of those that put themselves on such a high pedestal.
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Yeh that part's been tough. When your child's been abducted and your here on odf trying to navigate the labyrinth of family law while wiping your tears and trying to stay strong .... it's sad to know there are people who want to kick you in the teeth while your down.
 
ONDaddy:

My ex's only victory was keeping D4 out of school. Yes, that went in her favor .. but was it a victory? She set herself up also by saying no school due to D4's behavioral problems an asked for OCL. But Ooops, didnt bother filling out the OCL form.

1. Emergency Motion: Forced access offers..no more denials (in my favor)
2. Case Conference: Access begins (against ex's wishes) .... (In my favor)
3. Motion: All allegations dropped, generous access...ex got lectured...(my favor)
4. SC #1: adjourned: To close to motion..more time to elapse (nobodys favor)
5. Motion: No school for kid (Wow...in her favor...I guess?)
6. SC 2: Woke ex up on many issues....(my favor)
7. LAO Conference: (--> She doesnt want us to have joint...but to her it was better than me having sole)....(my favor)

Remember...she wanted me to have ZERO access..out of D4's life.

So nothing went in her favor from the get go. Besides denying our child school.
 
LovingFather32 said:
In my case it was us who requested an LAO SC...and OP accepted (we did this at our last SC). I've been requesting this for a year and a half. Only when the certificate $$ was running out did they accept. ...
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Key point which is consistent with a number of files I have followed where LAO is involved. As soon as certificates disappear or the money runs out the party settles. LAO should take note... (Or read Justice Pazaratz's comments...)

Good Luck!
Tayken
 
LovingFather32 said:
And anybody who's ever been to an LAO SC conference will sign a confidentiality agreement. It's not a new development that what's discussed in conferences are confidential.
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That is a new development. Generally they were only governed by the rules for settlement (Rule 18). OrleansLawyer would be the best user who can confirm this new development. I guess I need to make a new request for all the forms from LAO for their SC process. Sounds like it was updated since I last checked.
 
LovingFather32 said:
Yep S&T .. I was confused about LAO mediation and LAO SC's also. I'm no pro at this either. But I give the facts as they occur .. and certainly haven't made anything up like you and your private message friends assume.
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There is no difference between SC or Mediation BTW. So to interchange the two terms is fine. Both are protected under Rule 18 and the matters discussed and presented at a SC or "mediation" cannot be presented at a motion or a trial. So to mix up the terms is not a problem at all.

LovingFather32 said:
I didn't have to sign anything at my CC or SC either in terms of confidentiality. It's already in the FLR's. Only the LAO Settlement conference.
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I don't know if it is a "consent" or an acknowledgement of Rule 18. Again.. OrleansLawyer would be best to confirm the exact process.
 
LovingFather32 said:
My ex's only victory was keeping D4 out of school. Yes, that went in her favor .. but was it a victory?
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To miss quote Mike Patton of Faith No More from the song "A Small Victory":

A hierarchy
Spread out in the courtroom
The spirit of team?
Salvation is another chance
A sore loser
Yelling with her mouth shut
A cracking portrait
The fondling of the trophies
The null of losing
Can you afford that luxury?
A sore winner
But you should just keep your mouth shut
It shouldn't bother you
But it will
The small victories
The cankers and medallions
They keep you thinking that someday
Things might change
But you should just keep your mouth shut
The little nothings
It shouldn't bother you
But it will
IF YOU SPEAK AT ONE CONSTANT VOLUME AT ONE CONSTANT PITCH
AT ONE CONSTANT RHYTHM RIGHT INTO HER EAR, SHE STILL WON'T HEAR
She still won't hear
She still won't hear
She still won't hear
She still won't hear
She still won't hear
She still won't hear
 
In my experience, the battle got a lot harder and longer once my ex switched from LAO to self rep. She definitely did a lot better on her own.

In terms of favorable outcomes, I was looking more at who had majority access after each step. When you brought a motion to start school, it was denied. Afterwards, ex wanted to start school and you denied it which is the reason D isn't in school now. So while ex was favorable in court, ex/D wasn't victorious with school.
 
Faced with no funding for a trial, there really was no good alternative for her but to swallow her pride and agree to the joint 50/50.

I am in no way shape or form defending the kind of shenanigans she pulled, but there is still a strong perception among many people that mothers only get 50/50 or less if they are a bad mother, where there no similar sentiment for fathers. This is not a good perception, but it nonetheless exists. I guess time and more successful 50/50 splits will change this.

I experienced this personally when my D had initially less than 50/50 with my GD due to her exes withholding and lies and then again when she agreed to 50/50 despite having an OCL recommendation heavily in her favour. Comments like, well if she doesn't want to be a full time mom, I guess that's ok. These are totally unfair points of view and very old fashioned, but if people with that sort of viewpoint are influencing moms in a custody dispute, it can really inflame the situation.

At any rate, I am super pleased for LF and his D4.
 
Tayken,

Thanks for clearing a lot of that stuff up. I didn't know LAO SC's and LAO meditations were the same. I was confused because the SC judge in court called it a LAO mediation and then the LAO guy at the office said "This is NOT mediation..Its a conference". For some reason he wanted to make that very clear.

I think Justice Pazaratz's needs to hold lectures, educate and write books (if he doesn't already) .. he doesn't only "get it"..he's doing something about it.

Peaceful:

Thanks so much. D4 and I are very pleased that my rights as a parent were rightfully restored.
 
LovingFather32 i've been reading this thread from the 1st post to this one.

Congrats to you and D4 on your settlement.

Your posts and achievements are comforting and offer optimism to dad's fighting to gain access to their Children.

I'm going to my 2nd SC in March... I really hope I can come back with similar results.

The thought of going to trial is frightening and as far as i'm concerned un-called for in most cases.


LovingFather32 said:
Tayken,

Thanks for clearing a lot of that stuff up. I didn't know LAO SC's and LAO meditations were the same. I was confused because the SC judge in court called it a LAO mediation and then the LAO guy at the office said "This is NOT mediation..Its a conference". For some reason he wanted to make that very clear.

I think Justice Pazaratz's needs to hold lectures, educate and write books (if he doesn't already) .. he doesn't only "get it"..he's doing something about it.

Peaceful:

Thanks so much. D4 and I are very pleased that my rights as a parent were rightfully restored.
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otttawa_dad said:
LovingFather32 i've been reading this thread from the 1st post to this one.

Congrats to you and D4 on your settlement.

Your posts and achievements are comforting and offer optimism to dad's fighting to gain access to their Children.

I'm going to my 2nd SC in March... I really hope I can come back with similar results.

The thought of going to trial is frightening and as far as i'm concerned un-called for in most cases.
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I'd love to hear ore about the details of your case.

- Claims of abuse? Denials of Access? Does ex have legal Aid?, etc.
 
My Ex doesn't have legal aid

she played all the usual tricks...many of which were false.

Allegation of abuse (physical, mental and verbal)
Allegation of substance abuse (alcohol, drugs)
Not the primary caregiver
Unfit father
 
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