Refraining Order re: License Suspension for Nonpayment of Support

[su27]

I would add - shame on you for sponsoring someone into this country and then leaving that person the taxpayer's responsibility. How on earth did you get away with that one?

Arabian,

She is not the taxpayer's responsibility in any way, shape or form, and I'm not sure why you assumed this.

People are allowed to sponsor their relatives and spouses for a reason - to keep families together and I am shocked by your attitude that I should feel ashamed because of this. Well I'm not exactly shocked, but I thought a forum such as this one would be more heavy on practical advice rather than on ignorant statements and unfounded judgment.

As for being a deadbeat, I have worked very hard all my life just to avoid being placed in a situation like this. I would never have chosen to make very little money over the last two or three years, and none at all since this past January.

I have simply found myself in a terribly rough situation and came here looking for advice.

 

[arabian]

Advice - get a fucking job and pay your CS. Is that practical enough for you?

If you don't pay CS you are a deadbeat in my opinion.

 

[oink]

I just want to add here for those that might not know, and perhaps think when people emigrate here, the Government foots the bill...

Different routes to come to Canada, main ones.....
a. spousal
b. refugee
c. work.
d. family

spousal requires the sponsor to be responsible for the other person for 3yrs, and that includes their health care, clothing etc

family i.e. extended family members, requires the sponsor to be responsible for the person for 10yrs

There is a non-refundable application fees, as well as medical and other fees for all the above mentioned routes except refugee claims.

 

[Tayken]

Well I'm not exactly shocked, but I thought a forum such as this one would be more heavy on practical advice rather than on ignorant statements and unfounded judgment.

Really? Honestly? You are on a public message forum. Also, you are not being truthful with this community on why you are unable to practice in the area of law in my opinion.

Also, Arabian is not being "judgmental" she is simply applying the concept of critical thinking in her cross examination of your evidence. She is doing exactly what a well trained litigation lawyer (trial lawyer) will do to you.. Remember that concept in the bar admissions course?

As for being a deadbeat, I have worked very hard all my life just to avoid being placed in a situation like this. I would never have chosen to make very little money over the last two or three years, and none at all since this past January.

Then call up Legal Aid Ontario and start the process of becoming a panel lawyer... That is if you are in good standing with the Law Society... ???

Good Luck!
Tayken

 

[oink]

Advice - get a fucking job and pay your CS. Is that practical enough for you?

If you don't pay CS you are a deadbeat in my opinion.

Wow...Arabian darling, didn't you get a chance to hit the greens this long weekend? Wash your mouth out woman

F- word is so yesterday

 

[arabian]

Hi takeontheworld,

I was just wondering if there were any posters here who had some experience in this situation regarding things they said that may have angered the judge, or what may have gained their sympathy. I was also hoping someone would be able to give me a rough estimate of what the judge would be willing to accept as a minimum support payment.

I would be very surprised if someone on this forum gave you advice on how to "beat the system" and avoid having your license suspended for non-payment of CS.

Having an Ivy League education will certainly not preclude you from waiting tables or washing cars.

There are many people on this forum who have scraped, and done whatever they could to support their families. I doubt you will get much sympathy on here.

 

[oink]

Really? Honestly? You are on a public message forum. Also, you are not being truthful with this community on why you are unable to practice in the area of law in my opinion.

Also, Arabian is not being "judgmental" she is simply applying the concept of critical thinking in her cross examination of your evidence. She is doing exactly what a well trained litigation lawyer (trial lawyer) will do to you.. Remember that concept in the bar admissions course?



Then call up Legal Aid Ontario and start the process of becoming a panel lawyer... That is if you are in good standing with the Law Society... ???

Good Luck!
Tayken

Disclaimer....Arabian is NOT a lawyer of any type, and NOT a member of the law society in any province or the BAR

 

[su27]

I agree. It really does have that kind of a feeling. There appears to be an excuse for everything that is wrong in this poster's life.



I agree. I am still pondering why the OP whom has a law degree is not practicing in any area of law... Something is a bit smelly here...

Also, it is odd (not sure if you noticed Arabian) that this professional is alluding that he married someone so they can become a resident. This could be immigration fraud potentially? This is just one of the weirdest threads ever... (Yup, you did notice and posted it while I was writing this message. )

Good Luck!
Tayken

Tayken,

I am not entirely sure whether this was immigration fraud on the part of my ex, but it most certainly was not on mine.

I am not practicing law because I have not been able to find a job except for a few short term document review projects. At this point, it is incredibly expensive to pay for lawyer licensing and insurance (over $6,000 per year) and I don't have that kind of money right now. I tried opening up my own practice earlier this year just after my last project when I was still insured, but found that potential clients only came to me for free legal advice.

As soon as I started talking about retainers or payment for consultations, they would disappear. Or they would ask me to work on a contingency basis, and I did not have money for this. I simply could not afford to wait around for a year or two and hope that they would eventually win and I would see some money. I have too many debts, like I said child support payments don't take IOU's, so I need some quick cash.

I'm not sure why you think this "smells fishy," I didn't realize it was so hard for people to believe my story. Do you guys really think I went through all this schooling only to intentionally refuse to work and find myself in this terrible position? Since my graduation from law school I haven't been able to find any permanent work. Many graduating law students or newly licensed lawyers can tell you how difficult it has been to get a job.

Problem is, I don't have much experience in anything else since I've spent so much of the last 10 years in university and post grad.

 

[Tayken]

There are many people on this forum who have scraped, and done whatever they could to support their families. I doubt you will get much sympathy on here.

I agree. In fact, there are those on this site who will pick apart your statements because you are probably a suspended deadbeat lawyer too.

 

[su27]

Advice - get a fucking job and pay your CS. Is that practical enough for you?

If you don't pay CS you are a deadbeat in my opinion.

Thank you arabian, this is brilliant why didn't I think of that.

 

[su27]

Really? Honestly? You are on a public message forum. Also, you are not being truthful with this community on why you are unable to practice in the area of law in my opinion.

Also, Arabian is not being "judgmental" she is simply applying the concept of critical thinking in her cross examination of your evidence. She is doing exactly what a well trained litigation lawyer (trial lawyer) will do to you.. Remember that concept in the bar admissions course?



Then call up Legal Aid Ontario and start the process of becoming a panel lawyer... That is if you are in good standing with the Law Society... ???

Good Luck!
Tayken

Tayken,

I cannot be empaneled as a lawyer with Legal Aid unless I either (1) have the requisite years of experience practising as a lawyer (which I do not), or (2) have a more senior lawyer who is willing to monitor me and sign off all of my work. I have to find this senior lawyer myself, and I have been unable to do so.

 

[arabian]

Sometimes professional students have to face reality and get a job.

You are currently in receipt of EI so Canada Employment will likely contact you to do mandatory job search. EI is a temporary arrangement and you are expected to be looking for work each and every week.

Collection agencies are hiring all of the time.

 

[su27]

Sometimes professional students have to face reality and get a job.

You are currently in receipt of EI so Canada Employment will likely contact you to do mandatory job search. EI is a temporary arrangement and you are expected to be looking for work each and every week.

Collection agencies are hiring all of the time.

Arabian,

No you're right I know it's hard for people to understand why I have been so underemployed the last few years - and not earning anything since January - and I would think the same way as you do if someone told me the same story.

I worked hard for much of my life in school not to stay there but to eventually find a decent paying job when I got out. I didn't study academic subjects for the pure pleasure of it, I enrolled in graduate professional programs in business and law that are very difficult to get into with the hope of one day earning very good money to support my family. I worked as hard as I could to avoid a situation like this and I'm not a stupid guy or I wouldn't have been able to get into these programs and finish them. I don't know exactly what the problem is either. I told my lawyer my problem and he also told me I seem to have an excuse for everything. I think people who have not been in my exact situation may not understand.

As hurtful as many of your comments are, I will admit this is not the first time people have told me that it's suspicious that I have gone this long without any gainful work other than a few temporary positions. But this has been my experience: I haven't been able to get menial labour jobs because they don't want to hire someone with my background as I am too old and too educated and they know I will leave as soon as something better comes along. The higher level jobs I apply for won't hire me because I don't have the requisite experience.

Last year I was able to maintain CS payments but 100% of my income went toward paying it. I basically lived off handouts and loans from my family, the entire time hopeful that I would find a decent paying job at any moment and would pay all of it back.

I understand how you guys all think this is fishy I can't understand my bad luck either but it's the hand that I've been dealt. I have applied for EI but it still won't solve the problem of me getting gainful employment.

I appreciate everyone's responses and advice even though it was sometimes hurtful. It is no doubt a reflection of what the judge will think, too. It's just that despite my own best efforts I have found myself in a very dark place in my life and I don't know what to do. I wish it was as easy as just getting a job but in my experience and because of everything I told you guys I haven't found it to be that easy.

 

[Mess]

There are many people, including members of this board, who would be willing to pay the minimum rate for junior lawyer to help them file forms properly.

The situation you are in is an inablilty to market yourself, not an inability to practice. You assumed that a law degree would be ticket to ride, and forgot that you actually have to work to build a business.

I find it facinating that thousands of young lawyers are able to find placements with firms, large or small, but you cannot. You do not see this as a deficiency on your part, or anything that you should seek to correct.

Your order, as I read it, is that you pay support based on minimum wage. So go get a job at Starbucks.

I will say frankly that if you put up a website offerning legal advice for $10 a question, you will get customers.

 

[oink]

There are many people, including members of this board, who would be willing to pay the minimum rate for junior lawyer to help them file forms properly.

The situation you are in is an inablilty to market yourself, not an inability to practice. You assumed that a law degree would be ticket to ride, and forgot that you actually have to work to build a business.

I find it facinating that thousands of young lawyers are able to find placements with firms, large or small, but you cannot. You do not see this as a deficiency on your part, or anything that you should seek to correct.

Your order, as I read it, is that you pay support based on minimum wage. So go get a job at Starbucks.

I will say frankly that if you put up a website offerning legal advice for $10 a question, you will get customers.

Hmmm...even without experience, and proven results by references?

 

[oink]

Sometimes professional students have to face reality and get a job.

You are currently in receipt of EI so Canada Employment will likely contact you to do mandatory job search. EI is a temporary arrangement and you are expected to be looking for work each and every week.

Collection agencies are hiring all of the time.

True .....but this advice shouldn't only apply to "professional students"

 

[arabian]

I grew up in an affluent neighborhood. I know a fellow who is much in the same position as you are in. Difference being, thank goodness, that he never had children. He still lives at home with his parents (he's 57 and his parents are in their 90s) and he is unemployed. He had a good education but "never found the right job." He spends his days puttering around the house. He drives nice vehicles and wears very nice clothes. If you met him you'd probably think he was very successful as he knows how to "talk the talk" and wows people with his tales of international travel.

Only you can make a difference in your life. You are not your mother's responsibility. Perhaps you went to school later in life than most and have amassed significant student loans.

If you need advice on how to find a job then you had better find another forum and/or go to your local Canada Employment Center.

My remarks are made not with the intent to be cruel. I do not apologize. You would be best to the accept the fact that you are a parent and are responsible for supporting your child. When you go before the judge you will not be treated like a student who argues for a better mark from the professor. You may chose to not pay your debts through bankruptcy but you cannot escape child support obligations.

I suggest you get off this forum and get on with the task of looking for employment. Hopefully you can overcome your situation and prove to yourself, and your child, how you can overcome your current situation.

Good luck - move forward. No excuses.

 

[DunnMom]

Bang on!!!

Bang on!!!

I grew up in an affluent neighborhood. I know a fellow who is much in the same position as you are in. Difference being, thank goodness, that he never had children. He still lives at home with his parents (he's 57 and his parents are in their 90s) and he is unemployed. He had a good education but "never found the right job." He spends his days puttering around the house. He drives nice vehicles and wears very nice clothes. If you met him you'd probably think he was very successful as he knows how to "talk the talk" and wows people with his tales of international travel.

Only you can make a difference in your life. You are not your mother's responsibility. Perhaps you went to school later in life than most and have amassed significant student loans.

If you need advice on how to find a job then you had better find another forum and/or go to your local Canada Employment Center.

My remarks are made not with the intent to be cruel. I do not apologize. You would be best to the accept the fact that you are a parent and are responsible for supporting your child. When you go before the judge you will not be treated like a student who argues for a better mark from the professor. You may chose to not pay your debts through bankruptcy but you cannot escape child support obligations.

I suggest you get off this forum and get on with the task of looking for employment. Hopefully you can overcome your situation and prove to yourself, and your child, how you can overcome your current situation.

Good luck - move forward. No excuses.

What she said ... No muss, no fuss ... BANG ON

 

[BitHunter]

Can't find words......
The dude didn't want to wait 1-2 years until somebody wins his case and pays him the contingency fee, so instead of that he is sitting home waiting 1-2 years - for some kind of miracle...

 

[blinkandimgone]

Having an Ivy League education will certainly not preclude you from waiting tables or washing cars.

Agreed. As harsh as some of the comments you've received may seem, they are very true. It's understandable and completely OK to not be able to find a job in your chosen field for quite some time. But there a LOT of jobs out there that you could be doing in the meantime.

I've heard from more than one well educated and unemployed professional that they don't want to take a job at McD's, Walmart or a local restaurant washing dishes mainly because they are overqualified, don't want it to show up on their resume and don't want it to diminish the quality of a resume.

I'll tell you a secret: As someone who is responsible for screening resumes, handpicking potential new staff, interviewing and hiring, I'll actually PURPOSELY look for those kinds of things on a resume. Why? Because it shows me the person is comitted to doing whatever it takes, isn't afraid to get their hands dirty, doesn't feel they are above working hard and doesn't have a sense of entitlement.

I can EASILY train people in the skills they need to be successful in our organization, what I *can't* do is instill work ethic in someone.

I would much rather see "dish washer, tire slinger, dog walker, school bus driver, swim instructor" - ANYTHING - on someone's resume in between schooling and applying than nothing at all. And if the person hasn't been a FULL TIME employee there had better be volunteer work on there, too.

Having a tonne of education, although I'm sure you studied hard, doesn't preclude you from needing to do the actual "work" portion. Rarely do people come out of school and get handed a high paying job in their field.

Seriously, get a job, ANY job. Once you swallow your pride and realize the "perfect" job isn't going to be handed to you, you'll find yourself one step ahead of where you were. As for being rejected for being overqualified, if you're applying for a job that doesn't require THOSE education levels, leave them OFF your resume.

Anyone who leaves that stuff on when applying for a minimum wage or entry level position is talking themselves out of a job just for the opportunity to stick their nose in the air and declare: "But *I* have a DE-GREE!" Get it off your resume. I will absolutely bypass any resume applying for an entry-level position that lists a number of university degrees. Why? Because then I *know* you're overqualified, only staying until something better comes along and then I'm investing more money for what will obviously be a short-term turnover. That and if you have a degree, you SHOULD be able to figure that out on your own, you're only book smart, and not life smart. Let that shit come up in conversation later AFTER you've been hired.


I've checked the absolute easiest source, and there are TONNES of jobs available. Tonnes. Clean up your resume, pick twenty jobs and apply. Take the aboslute first one that makes an offer.

JOBS IN YOUR AREA


You need to start being proactive. You can't do anything about the fact that you didn't take the proper steps to change or reduce child support when your situation changed, you didn't do anything to get yourself any job you could, you didn't make any efforts to pay even a minimal amount, you Simply. Stopped. Paying. Bad form, but in the past. Get a job, start making some payments.

Can't find words......
The dude didn't want to wait 1-2 years until somebody wins his case and pays him the contingency fee, so instead of that he is sitting home waiting 1-2 years - for some kind of miracle...

I totally agree BH, the irony is choking.