Private Member’s Bill C-422 - Equal parenting (Mr. Velacott)

i spoke with our member here and asked about the bill and was told that there was too much opposition from very well organized womens groups.
 
That is why it needs to be addressed as equality for everyone. The entire divorce act and provincial family relations acts need to be reforemed. Such reform would benefit everyone, including the government. The current system penalizes the higher income earner (typically still the man, but not always) and "allows" a small percentage of the low income earners to abuse the system. These issues along with many others negatively impact both men and woman! The Courts need more authority to force the dead beat parent to become a productive member contributing to the financial needs of the household, rather than allowing them to be a burden and even passing that burden onto helpless step-parents. IT IS TRULY ABOUT EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE, INCLUDING OUR CHILDREN AND IT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE POPULATION IN SUCH A WAY!
 
Dieseldude4 said:
That is why it needs to be addressed as equality for everyone. The entire divorce act and provincial family relations acts need to be reforemed. Such reform would benefit everyone, including the government. The current system penalizes the higher income earner (typically still the man, but not always) and "allows" a small percentage of the low income earners to abuse the system. These issues along with many others negatively impact both men and woman! The Courts need more authority to force the dead beat parent to become a productive member contributing to the financial needs of the household, rather than allowing them to be a burden and even passing that burden onto helpless step-parents. IT IS TRULY ABOUT EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE, INCLUDING OUR CHILDREN AND IT NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE POPULATION IN SUCH A WAY!
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I couldn't have said it any better! Thank you!!! :)
 
Velacott has moved on to trying to recriminalize abortion by passing a private members bill to recognize the fetus as a person. I believe he is also among the MPs seeking for the RCMP to lay murder charges against women who get abortions during the third trimester.

He is an extremist and the resistance from the feminist side comes in large part due to the origin of the bill. When someone like Velacott puts something forth, the feminist reaction is to reject it. Logical, no, but a factual reality, yes.

In order to get enough onside to pass such a bill it has to promoted from a position of equality, and the best interest of the children. PERIOD. Any sense that this is coming from the "Men's Rights Movement" and there is an immediate backlash.

The fact that a Harper backbencher put this forward in the first place has already tainted a lot of opinions on the progressive side. That isn't fair, but it is the reality.
 
Mess said:
Velacott has moved on to trying to recriminalize abortion by passing a private members bill to recognize the fetus as a person. I believe he is also among the MPs seeking for the RCMP to lay murder charges against women who get abortions during the third trimester.

He is an extremist and the resistance from the feminist side comes in large part due to the origin of the bill. When someone like Velacott puts something forth, the feminist reaction is to reject it. Logical, no, but a factual reality, yes.

In order to get enough onside to pass such a bill it has to promoted from a position of equality, and the best interest of the children. PERIOD. Any sense that this is coming from the "Men's Rights Movement" and there is an immediate backlash.

The fact that a Harper backbencher put this forward in the first place has already tainted a lot of opinions on the progressive side. That isn't fair, but it is the reality.
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Thanks for more background information Mess. Again, what a shame it started with someone like him. Ugh.
I couldn't agree more with you that it needs to come from a position of equality...in essense that's what this is all about.
 
Hi again!

If you have a facebook account, there is a page called "Love and Iron Project" that has gotten the attention of the original MP and who is looking to bring this bill back for discussion! Sucks that it's this same MP, but it's something I guess. Thought this was some positive news in possibly the right direction :) I'll try to forward the link to the disussion when I can get to facebook today.

"It is vital that when educating our children's brains that we do not neglect to educate their hearts" - Dalai Lama
 
NeverGreen said:
Equal Shared Parenting Bill Coming to Parliament

Coming to the House of Commons in Canada in September 2013.
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An update on Equal Shared Parenting Bill

On October 03, 2013 I've sent an email to Mr. Maurice Vellacott sayng that I read the artice about the bill and the article states that this Bill was planned to be discussed this past September. I asked if it was discussed and if it was then what is the outcome of this discussion cause I couldn't find it anywhere on the net. I also asked him what can be done ASAP if anything to change the existing situation and expressed my opinion about Family Law and Family courts in Canada.

He responded the very next day. After reading his response I emailed him back asking for his permission to post this response on this forum; I gave him a link to it.

He again responded right away saying: "Sure you can pos the response on that forum." I am doing just that.

Here we go:

"Hi Xxxxxxxx,
We are at the mercy of ordinary schedule of the House of Commons. The bill probably won't come up for debate until Dec. or so now.

There is nothing that can be done ASAP to change the situation. It's legislative so it will take time. You and supporters should contact the Prime Minister, the Justice Minister, your own MP's as well as your provincial representatives, Premier and Justice Minister in whatever province you are in. The Divorce Act needs more comprehensive changes, and the Prime Minister and Justice Minister need to be convinced to make that a priority. And the provincial politicians need to make improvements in the administration of family law a priority as well.

Thank you for writing. We will add you to our email list to keep you up to date with any developments.

Kind regards,
Maurice Vellacott, MP".

He also sent me contact info for Prime Minister and Justice Minister. Here it is:

Rt. Hon. Stephen Harper
Centre Block
House of Commons
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0A6
Telephone: 613-992-4211
Fax: 613-941-6900
EMail: stephen.harper@parl.gc.ca

Hon. Peter MacKay
Centre Block
House of Commons
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0A6
Telephone: 613-992-6022
Fax: 613-992-2337
EMail: peter.mackay@parl.gc.ca

Web Site: www.petermackay.ca/

Thought you guys would be interested to know.
 
I have had the dubious pleasure of debating Mr Vellacott in a public forum (not on this bill, but on another of his pet projects). I can say from that experience that a) he is not phenomenally bright; b) he (or his staff) doesn't do his homework - he falls back on individual stories and "common knowledge" which is erroneous, and doesn't look at actual research or evidence; c) he really, really has an issue with feminists, which drives his choice of causes - he will support something just because he thinks feminists might oppose it, and vice versa. He's more concerned with scoring points against feminism (or what he thinks his version of feminism to be, which is a whole other ballgame) than about the issues themselves. Even members of his own party think he's a bit of a nut. So unless this "equal parenting" cause can find a better advocate in parliament, I don't see it getting too far.
 
stripes said:
I have had the dubious pleasure of debating Mr Vellacott in a public forum (not on this bill, but on another of his pet projects). I can say from that experience that a) he is not phenomenally bright; b) he (or his staff) doesn't do his homework - he falls back on individual stories and "common knowledge" which is erroneous, and doesn't look at actual research or evidence; c) he really, really has an issue with feminists, which drives his choice of causes - he will support something just because he thinks feminists might oppose it, and vice versa. He's more concerned with scoring points against feminism (or what he thinks his version of feminism to be, which is a whole other ballgame) than about the issues themselves. Even members of his own party think he's a bit of a nut. So unless this "equal parenting" cause can find a better advocate in parliament, I don't see it getting too far.
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Interesting observation but what choice do we have? It's him or nothing so I guess I give my vote to him as I cannot vote for nothing.

We just cannot sit doing absolutely nothing about the situation in family courts and family laws. People are killing themselves over this Hell finanially, emotionally and literally, physically. If we do nothing, we will find our grandchildren discussing the same damn stuff on this same forum. I don't want it.

On the side note: I am a woman and a mother, and I am very against feminism myself, believe it or not. It's disgusting (at least what I know about it). I am also against maleism (if it exists because if it does it is disgusting) - if you know what I mean.
 
Learner said:
Feminism: the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities.
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It's on paper, dear, only on paper.

But the reality is ugly, very ugly. It's the same as kommunism. It's so nice and peachy on paper: everybody is equal, no discrimination, everydoby works as much as they can and get as much as they wont.

Let me tell you: there was (and still is in some countries like Cuba) nothing further away from the reality than life in a kommunist coutry.

I don't care wht they write it is. I do care about the actions. I know for very sure: there is no equality in family court in Canada. There is no presumption of innocence or very little of it and I know it first hands.

So yes, I am against feminism and against maleism and whatever else crooked -ism is out there. Sorry.
 
Mother said:
It's on paper, dear, only on paper.

But the reality is ugly, very ugly. It's the same as kommunism. It's so nice and peachy on paper: everybody is equal, no discrimination, everydoby works as much as they can and get as much as they wont.

Let me tell you: there was (and still is in some countries like Cuba) nothing further away from the reality than life in a kommunist coutry.

I don't care wht they write it is. I do care about the actions. I know for very sure: there is no equality in family court in Canada. There is no presumption of innocence or very little of it and I know it first hands.

So yes, I am against feminism and against maleism and whatever else crooked -ism is out there. Sorry.
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BOLD 1 : No Now...down girl, I won't go that far, after all beuty is in the eye of the beholder

BOLD 2: There is asuch a place, it's called UTOPIA

BOLD 3: Why do you think that is, bias by female judges or the lack of moving with the modern times?

BOLD 4: That is good to know, so you are like an equal opportunity employers then, that is just out to make profit, and doesn't care if it was a donkey doing the work? One last thing...are you against Hedonism too? :D
 
Mother said:
It's on paper, dear, only on paper.
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Don't think so. Can you vote? Did you go to school? Did you earn the money to buy the computer you're using now? Have you ever used birth control? Do you have high expectations for both your daughters and your sons? If so, you can thank feminists, and their conviction that neither men nor women should be disadvantaged or oppressed because of their gender. Feminists have taken on the fights that nobody else wanted, because they were unpopular or went against the common wisdom of the time, and both men and women have benefited.

My daughter is growing up in a world where she as a girl can expect the same respect and opportunities as her male peers, which was not the case for me and much less so the case for my own mother. Feminism has nothing to do with putting men down and everything to do with creating a world where men and women are treated first and foremost as people, and not just reduced to a superior or inferior sex.

I find a lot of people distance themselves from the "feminist" label, even though they agree with what feminists have achieved, because they think a feminist is an angry, man-hating woman. In my experience, the angriest women and the ones who hate men the most are *not* feminists - feminists know that things can change and that systems, not male individuals, are the problem. Feminism is about the hope for a better world.
 
oink said:
BOLD 1 : No Now...down girl, I won't go that far, after all beuty is in the eye of the beholder

BOLD 2: There is asuch a place, it's called UTOPIA

BOLD 3: Why do you think that is, bias by female judges or the lack of moving with the modern times?

BOLD 4: That is good to know, so you are like an equal opportunity employers then, that is just out to make profit, and doesn't care if it was a donkey doing the work? One last thing...are you against Hedonism too? :D
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Can't wait to see you and to prove to you that I am a grandma, riding a rocking chair. ololo... (btw how about the bunch-meeting?)

Anyway.

Bold 2: Checked my GPS, there is no such thing there. Do I need to update the device?

Bold 3: Why? I think I know why, it's just too long of a story. Hystorilaccy women used to be physically abused ans some are still are as one reason. Another one, men as a rule didn't bother doing thesae "kids things" as another one. Don't really have time to go deeper at the moment. And let me tell you: not just biased by frmails judges, but by almost all of the judges (leaving alone CAS, OCL etc).

Bold 4: If something works, don't fix it. If there is a wonderful, beautiful person is sitting his/her behind looking pretty at work and that's about it then yes, I chose a donley, a monkey and all of the rest of the zoo. We all are animals anyway, man.

Oh and Hedonism: too old for this stuff. My pleasures are to see people I love, not very platonis I suppose but what the heck.
 
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On the side note: I am a woman and a mother, and I am very against feminism myself, believe it or not. It's disgusting (at least what I know about it).
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Begs the question...what do you know about it? I'd be very interested in learning about the "disgusting" parts of what feminism is. Please enlighten me.

I find a lot of people distance themselves from the "feminist" label, even though they agree with what feminists have achieved, because they think a feminist is an angry, man-hating woman.
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Excellent post Stripes.

I would proudly describe myself as a feminist.

Despite that fact, I like to cook, clean, knit...enjoyed being pregnant, etc. Although my new partner would be happy to help me, I don't even let him into the kitchen and I clean both our houses. I also have worked my entire life and everything I have, I own. Defining myself as feminist simply means that I can be what I choose. It means being free of having a pre-conceived role forced upon me or my children.

I think being a feminist is far less important than being a humanist but its certainly not a label I'd shy away from. I wear it proudly.
 
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