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First of all, until you get some kind of settlement or court order, the legal default is that you have joint legal custody.

She can't refuse for no reason. She would have to demonstrate that it is in the best interests of the child, and especially since you both work and the child is in daycare, she will have a nearly impossible time doing that.

In other words, what happens if you refuse to give her custody? Why are her rights trumping yours? In fact, the children's rights trump everyone else's, and they have a right to have a relationship with both parents.

Calculating time can be tricky. One judge may do it by days, another by hours. Daycare hours can go either way. I argued strongly (although it wouldn't have made much difference) that school/daycare hours counted with the parent that dropped off in the morning, because if the child was sick or there was a holiday, the child would stay with that parent for the day. If the child was sick halfway through, the dropoff parent would be called. You have to tailor your arguments to your situation.

At the age of your child, I would say that you probably want to do something like 3 days/3 days, and then a swing day, so there isn't too much time apart from either parent. Older, a week on/ week off can work fine but IMHO not at a young age.

You could also do 2 days, 2 days, and then alternate weekends. There are a lot of possibilities, it depends on you and your ex.

The best situation is if you and your ex just plain agree on 50/50, and then work the schedule out to your child's satisfaction and don't worry about a few hours either way. But you'd better have that carved in stone in the separation agreement.

I would say to do the following:

1) Don't move out until you have an agreement on custody
2) If she leaves and takes the kids, immediately go to an experienced lawyer and try to get an interim custody order of 50/50.
3) Read the books I've recommended and think through your situation
4) Sit down with your ex and the kids and explain the separation, and stress that it isn't their fault and they will stay with both of you as their parents

(This might not be possible with the child that is not your own, you need to decide what will happen there with your ex).

5) Arrange separate living arrangements. If it is a large house, you might consider splitting up and one of you stay upstairs and one downstairs. It depends on how amicable you are. When you split formally, make sure you arrange the 50/50 custody. It is not manipulative to include the kids in this discussion. The kids will want to spend time with you equally, that is the easiest decision for them.
6) Right now, while you are together, is the time to ensure that you are already "shared parenting". Stay involved with the kids, take them to daycare, pick them up, go to the doctor's, the dentist, arrange playdates, spend time with them in the evenings. Most of us have found that we are actually better, more involved parents after the split than we were before, even if we were great before.
7) If you have any joint accounts, close them. Freeze joint debt or line of credit or credit cards. Start collecting up bank statements, copy mortgage docs, life insurance, etc. Get as much as you can. Make copies, leave copies for your ex, and probably don't be too obvious about this, it will inflame things, but it needs doing.
8) Again, read the books I mentioned, it won't just help you separate with your ex, it will help you navigate the system and keep control over your lawyer
9) You will need a lawyer, even if just for a few hours for a consultation and a couple of documents and signatures. You need to know what you are doing, so you pick the appropriate lawyer and keep ccontrol of the process.
10) Talk to your doctor, see if you can arrange a referral to a therapist. As this goes on you will experience a lot of different emotions, and you will need some kind of help. Even if you are fine right now, you will need help later, so make the arrangements now.
 
Ok I need to clear some things up...She left 2 1/2 yrs ago, and took "her" child with her, then while separated WE had a child , now keep in mind ....she moved to another town , so I work and she works , now realistically there is no way I could continue to work and drive back and fourth to pic up and drop off the kids for day care, then drive back to pic them up. In a perfect world sure I would do that as long as in the perfect world nobody works...but we all know this is never going to happen. So is the only alternative me finding day care here in my town and she has her day care in her town? sound kinda stupid if you ask me and all this just to prove 50/50 , why would the courts not look at hrs is a day and then hrs spent with the kids in a day??? I mean really is day care part of any parents time ? It should never even be part of the equation ....im new but the alternate sounds ...well retarded. What does sound fair and just is she has them threw the week and truly only needs to parent in the evenings and mornings, all other time is spent in (A) daycare, or (B) sleeping , and I have them every weekend with no daycare involved ??? I dont think 2 day care providers is in the kids best interest nor is spending 2 hrs a day driving my kids back and fourth from her town back to mine ....time with the kids is to be quality time and fun for the kids not driving to apes the courts in proving 50/50. So i guess if I have to mess my kids up to do this I would choose to have more time actually with the kids and say 2 day care providers.
 
with the law of averages she on an average day spends 7 hrs with the children while they are awake....2 hrs in the morn and 5 hrs in the evenings, so 28 hrs in 4 days , then I would have them friday after work so 5-9, 4 hrs and all weekend average 12 hrs a day for sat and sun , 28 hrs in total. Is this not how they would calculate 50/50?
 
I have to say that sound far more constructive for my kids, and both our lives and anyone who would have KIDS best interest at heart.
 
We all work and we all have to deal with splitting up, you aren't unique.

She left 2 1/2 years ago, and you are dealing with this now? She has been in another town all this time and you are worried about custody NOW?
 
Mess, Like I said it has been a very strange relationship a relationship I carried on to see my kids and yes I know I was wrong for doing it but whats done is done, also I never said I was unique, nor did I say Im the only one in the world that works. I am however trying to do what is best for my kids, and trying to figure out what that is exactly.
 
Here is the Facts she withholds the kids when she is pissed off, this I AM sure is not unique . So we can sit here and talk about what an idiot I am ...or talk about whats important ....the kids .
 
Want to know what she gets pissed off about mess? Me not wanting to carry on the relationship. Again not unique saddly far to common.
 
And yes I am worried about custody now and have been since I met her, and will always be worried about it , what father wouldn't , why am I running into brick walls here , I am a concerned father who loves his kids , what part of that is confusing?
 
So if I understand what your saying to me Mess ...is because she left 2 yrs ago I have no right to want to see my kids nor should I fight for my rights , or even care about my kids???? Listen I have been a good father to my kids and hers so I would like a little understanding when it comes to the stupid things I did to continue to see my kids. And Im sure nobody on this site is perfect or they wouldnt need this site.
 
I think you need to listen Tim, Mess is just trying to help you and his information comes from experience. No one knows your "unique" situation, we have all been there and done that and everyone has their own situation and issues that differ from person to person but we all came here to seek help in hopes to make this process easier and stay focused on the most important thing, our children!
I don't think you should DO ANYTHING right now as you are just going to get confused MORE and in the state you are in now things are just going to get more complicated.
Focus on one thing at a time. Say, your children. Do research, learn about custody, access etc. Then move on to something else.
Everyone here is going to help as much as they can and speak thru experiences so take it and use the helpful information.
You are just starting out in the whole process, step back for a moment. Start from the beginning.
 
Almost all of us here are in the same boat as having to deal with a difficult ex who is not staying focused on their children. You will have to learn how to deal with the ex in a positive way ( even though your ex probably won't)
Trying to hurt you through the children, so wrong but so many parents are doing this.
You need to learn that this is a highly stressful time for everyone. Make sure the children are not in the middle of this. YOU have to do what you have to to make sure your children are not affected by this.
My situation, my ex doesn't show interest or involvement in his child's life. Now, how sad is that? As I should be pissed at him, Im not, Im sad for my child. But does that mean in the future things won't change, NO I hope they will and they will have a relationship. Instead of focusing on that, I focus on my child. Make sure she is loved, well taken care of etc. I FOCUS ALL MY ENERGY ON HER.
 
Hello Tug..Look im not trying to offened anyone, I asked a question about 50/50 and this Is important , I just dont know why her leaving 2 yrs ago has anything to do with me wanting to protect my rights as a father ...the only time there is a problem with me seeing the kids is when I try to leave the twisted relationship. I do apreciate any help offered but am never going to sit and let some guy insult my intelligence when all Im doing is trying to do whats best for my kids , he did offer good advise and I thank him for it , but it seems like every time i try and explain My situation I get the old " hey your not the only one with problems" ....I never said I was... If I wanted to be talked down to , I would call the ex ..she is really good at it.
 
Mess is speaking regarding legal matters and unfortunately this is how our divorce, family law system is set up and is speaking to you in that context. There are people here who stay technical.
As I learned quickly this is not a support group.
 
I am also not ignorant to the possibility that on a site like this, we in fact might be dealing with the "DIFFICULT EX" and that not everyone on here is looking out for the best interest of kids that are involved. So that being said...Tug you have showed to me anyway you are a caring person who does not judge people by the situations they are in or the reason they are in that possition. Yes I need help in figuring out whats best for my kids, no I dont need help in figuring out that I was an idiot for continuing to be in a relationship that was un healthy, for me and my kids and the ex for that matter.
 
We have all made mistakes. Please take my advice, step back. Stop. Think. Listen. Read.
No one is judging you that you are not a good parent... that is all your ex's mental abuse that's making you think that way
In time, you will re-read your posts and think wow, who is this, man I was really a mess at this time, we have all done that. I look at my first posts and think "WOW" good thing I got my butt kicked on this forum
Everyone here is just wanting to help you but you are not getting the whole picture
 
I hope you can answer my question then , is 50/50 cut and dry ...mon, tues, weds and 1/2 day thurs at her place then 1/2 thurs , then fri and sat and sun at my place ...and thats it?.....if thats it then ...its wrong,.
 
Sadly, you have allowed a status quo to develop that puts the kids with her most of the time. That is going to be very difficult to overcome. You have almost certainly given your ex primary residence, and it sounds like she has de facto custody, meaning that she could have a strong argument for sole legal custody.

In one and a half days, this thread has grown to 80 posts. You need to stop posting every hour or two and spend some (no, make that LOTS of) time doing a search in this forum and elsewhere (google) about the strength of the status quo when it comes to custody and access.

Sorry to put it bluntly to you, but you have an obligation to yourself and your kids to educate yourself instead of just constantly asking questions of every one here. Do some research on your own.

Read, read, read and then read some more. And when you're done reading, read some more. Do some research instead of continuing to state your case and ask questions. Then when you're done reading in a few days and you have educated yourself, come back and ask some questions with an informed mind.

Jeeezz this is f'n over the top!!
 
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