is there spousal support when there are no children

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when a couple living commonlaw for 12 years splits, and the wife gets half of house, would she still be entitled to support if she is working but earning less salary than husband
 
Depends. The big question is, how much less?

There is the need to show entitlement. If you make $20k and he makes $200k, then there is obviously a discrepancy. But if he makes $60k and you make $45k, then the chances of receiving it are significantly diminished.
 
why is that even a concern. Ok Im going to let this out here. Why do so many women feel they are ENTITLED to spousal support? What the hell is with that?
 
littleman said:
why is that even a concern. Ok Im going to let this out here. Why do so many women feel they are ENTITLED to spousal support? What the hell is with that?
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Um, my ex is a man and fully feels entitled to spousal support. Apparently he needs more beer.

It has less to do with gender and more to do with personality. Some people are just assholes.
 
littleman said:
My bad CSangel that should have said why do people feel entitlement to it......just makes me mad
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:) NP. Makes me angry too. Such a lack of pride. While I agree that SS is sometimes necessary, in most cases people should just move on with their lives and deal with being independent.
 
littleman said:
My bad CSangel that should have said why do people feel entitlement to it......just makes me mad
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Hell Littleman, I will say it the way it is.

Tell me the last time you heard your buddy or a buddy of a buddy talking about leaving his wife and wondering how much spousal support he is going to get. Never thats when...(other than in CSAngel's situation of course)

There is one gender that thinks spousal support and divorce go hand in hand. Shit how many poeple on here know of a man getting spousal support??? I wouldn't hsitate to say maybe 3 or 4 people.

Now...how many know of a woman collecting it? I wouldn't hesitate to say everybody.

Granted there is a slim selection of situations were its warranted but that might be about 15%-20%.

Our Family Law system seems to think that its acceptable for one ex-spouse to use the other as a crutch indefinetly. Thats horseshit!!!

I dont mean to hurt anyones delicate sensibilities but I call it like it is.
 
cashcow4ex said:
Hell Littleman, I will say it the way it is.

Tell me the last time you heard your buddy or a buddy of a buddy talking about leaving his wife and wondering how much spousal support he is going to get. Never thats when...(other than in CSAngel's situation of course)

There is one gender that thinks spousal support and divorce go hand in hand. Shit how many poeple on here know of a man getting spousal support??? I wouldn't hsitate to say maybe 3 or 4 people.

Now...how many know of a woman collecting it? I wouldn't hesitate to say everybody.

Granted there is a slim selection of situations were its warranted but that might be about 15%-20%.

Our Family Law system seems to think that its acceptable for one ex-spouse to use the other as a crutch indefinetly. Thats horseshit!!!

I dont mean to hurt anyones delicate sensibilities but I call it like it is.
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http://www.ottawadivorce.com/forum/f5/hopefully-easy-question-10577/#post78903
 
cashcow4ex said:
Hell Littleman, I will say it the way it is.

Tell me the last time you heard your buddy or a buddy of a buddy talking about leaving his wife and wondering how much spousal support he is going to get. Never thats when...(other than in CSAngel's situation of course)

There is one gender that thinks spousal support and divorce go hand in hand. Shit how many poeple on here know of a man getting spousal support??? I wouldn't hsitate to say maybe 3 or 4 people.

Now...how many know of a woman collecting it? I wouldn't hesitate to say everybody.

Granted there is a slim selection of situations were its warranted but that might be about 15%-20%.

Our Family Law system seems to think that its acceptable for one ex-spouse to use the other as a crutch indefinetly. Thats horseshit!!!

I dont mean to hurt anyones delicate sensibilities but I call it like it is.
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Perhaps but the reality is that in most situations the woman is the lower income earner or the one who stayed home with the kids - which is why the man is the payor. That IS changing - and so is the number of cases with men receiving SS and CS.

Also - I'm thinking the men who do receive it may not run around bragging about it. :)
 
CSAngel said:
Perhaps but the reality is that in most situations the woman is the lower income earner or the one who stayed home with the kids - which is why the man is the payor. That IS changing - and so is the number of cases with men receiving SS and CS.
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And this is why? Because of man right? :D

Also - I'm thinking the men who do receive it may not run around bragging about it. :)
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Because he feel ashamed? why woman does not feel the same than ?
 
CSAngel said:
Also - I'm thinking the men who do receive it may not run around bragging about it. :)
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I would shout if from the roof tops, and not just any roof top but my ex's roof top. Her rooftop that she has me to thank for along with the new car and sunny trips twice a year.

What irks me is the courts dont take into account the sacraficing the man does as well. For example my ex decided that she wanted to stay home and raise our children and open a home daycare. This was done after much protest by me.

So I worked my ass off for 11 years. I bought a nice home at 19, building a nest egg, and luxuries for the family while she stayed home and made minimal money with her daycare.

In walks divorce and I am back to renting an apartment and driving a 17 year old car. My ex however after having the good life for many years at home is now living high off the hog with a newish home, new car, trips and a personal trainer. Where is my compensation for all my sacrfices?

So I would say that the man sacrifices just as much as the women in a lot of cases.

I guess the lesson to all men is dont let your wife stay home. After maternity leave is done you insist on her going back to work and furthering her career.

After all thats what is expected of the man so that he can make his ss and cs payments in the event of a divorce.
 
cashcow4ex said:
I would shout if from the roof tops, and not just any roof top but my ex's roof top. Her rooftop that she has me to thank for along with the new car and sunny trips twice a year.

What irks me is the courts dont take into account the sacraficing the man does as well. For example my ex decided that she wanted to stay home and raise our children and open a home daycare. This was done after much protest by me.

So I worked my ass off for 11 years. I bought a nice home at 19, building a nest egg, and luxuries for the family while she stayed home and made minimal money with her daycare.

In walks divorce and I am back to renting an apartment and driving a 17 year old car. My ex however after having the good life for many years at home is now living high off the hog with a newish home, new car, trips and a personal trainer. Where is my compensation for all my sacrfices?

So I would say that the man sacrifices just as much as the women in a lot of cases.

I guess the lesson to all men is dont let your wife stay home. After maternity leave is done you insist on her going back to work and furthering her career.

After all thats what is expected of the man so that he can make his ss and cs payments in the event of a divorce.
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I don't think many here would argue that the system is fair. It sure doesn't seem to be - however, there is a very good reason for SS in some cases. You can't paint every case with the same brush.
 
WorkingDAD said:
And this is why? Because of man right? :D
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No. You will not ever hear me bashing men.

Because he feel ashamed? why woman does not feel the same than ?
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Why don't men have touchy feely talks with their guy friends? Why don't they enjoy a day at the spa? Why don't they ever call when they say they're going to? ;)

Because they're different then women. Nothing shocking or controversial there. It's just a fact.
 
CSAngel said:
Why don't men have touchy feely talks with their guy friends? Why don't they enjoy a day at the spa? Why don't they ever call when they say they're going to? ;)

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Because we are all broke from paying spousal support to greedy vindictive ex's. lol :eek:
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Women 'want rich husbands, not careers': New survey claims drive for gender equality is a myth
Woman still want to ‘marry up’ and naturally choose husbands who earn more than themselves, a report suggests.

The idea of most women wanting to be financially independent is a myth, according to Catherine Hakim of the London School of Economics.
Despite years of equality campaigning, more women are choosing to marry wealthy men than in the 1940s, the expert claims.

In her report, published by the Centre for Policy Studies think tank, she suggests men dominate the top positions because women simply do not want careers in business.

She criticised David Cameron for backing the idea of quotas to ensure that leading companies appointed more women to their boards.

‘Women’s aspiration to marry up, if they can, to a man who is better-educated and higher-earning persists in most European countries,’ she said. ‘Women thereby continue to use marriage as an alternative or supplement to their employment careers.’

The research, which drew on existing data drawn from Britain and Spain, showed that 20 per cent of British women married husbands with a significantly better education than their own in 1949.

By the 1990s, the percentage of women deciding to ‘marry up’ had climbed to 38 per cent – with a similar pattern repeated in the rest of Europe, the US and Australia.
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No kids, common law, means TO ME no SS - he already lived off of you long enough, no reason for it to continue - he should thank you for sharing.

On a side note - is there a problem with everyone's meds this week? - crazy, over the top, one sided, closed minded, gender biased, illogical rantings going on in this forum...
 
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