Is child support included in ss calculations?

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troll (from Urban Dictionary)
One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.
 
Mess said:
So you're saying that dtte is nothing but a troll and therefore he's wrong?
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Should I tell him to F*ck off? Tell him he is full of shit? Call him a narcissist, or other, even more profane names? Because that would be the level of discourse that you and he (and Gary M, etc. etc. etc.) seem to prefer, rather than actually responding to genuine concerns being aired in an intelligent and respectful fashion.

This forum is what YOU all make it, and it is what it is. I am just calling you out on it.
 
Mess said:
So you're saying that dtte is nothing but a troll and therefore he's wrong?
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And in response to your question, I am saying that he purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts arguments and attacks others on this forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his peers. He sparks of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'You're a bitch. F**k you very much.' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

... and that therefore he is a troll - ditto for you, Mess, at least in this thread.
 
canadamama said:
Reading through this thread illustrates PERFECTLY why the accusation keeps surfacing that this forum is hostile to women.

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Pretty much any woman who expresses entitlement to SS on this forum is met with derision and scorn, and any woman who expresses frustration because she has to PAY SS gets gleefully told to suck it up because men have been getting screwed for years.
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canadamama said:
He will spark of such an argument...with no substance or relevence to back them...which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.
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My argument is that it is you that is sparking the fire with your fantastic accusation (and tired old line) about how men here are hostile to women. After you "backed up" your stereotye I disproved it an a matter of seconds.

The essence of your issue is wrong. Now why don't look in the mirror and then you will see who is not addressing the essence of the issue?
 
dadtotheend said:
My argument is that it is you that is sparking the fire with your fantastic accusation (and tired old line) about how men here are hostile to women. After you "backed up" your stereotye I disproved it an a matter of seconds.

The essence of your issue is wrong. Now why don't look in the mirror and then you will see who is not addressing the essence of the issue?
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If you go back to the beginning of this thread, and look at the responses that the OP received to her request for a simple piece of information, you will see exactly what I am talking about. She was met with derision and scorn, with insult and attack.

All I did was stand up to you, the bullies, and now you have turned your attention to me, calling me a bitch, telling me I am full of shit, telling me to F*ck off, on and on and on. NONE of which is intelligent discourse. If this was in person, no doubt it would have deteriorated to physical intimidation at this point. Bullies are like that.

All you did to 'disprove' my assertion was point to a conversation you had had no part in... which merely proved MY point, which is that YOU are the problem in this forum. All that illustrated was that when you are not wading in with your attacks and profanity, the forum operates appropriately, providing legal advice and information, rather than insults and misogyny.

The essence of the issue is that your position appears to be that it is fully appropriate for this forum to be a venue to attack and insult, and for vicious, profane language, whereas my position is that we should look out for each other here, and be as factual and non-personal as possible. This isn't about coddling the hurt, it's about not hurting them even more, and possibly helping where we can.
 
That went right over your head I guess. You are making ad hominem attacks here just as much as anyone. You are complaining about the person, if you want to sit on the high horse stick to attacking the ideas. Otherwise take what you get.
 
My argument is that it is you that is sparking the fire with your fantastic accusation (and tired old line) about how men here are hostile to women. After you "backed up" your stereotye I disproved it an a matter of seconds.

After that, you ignored the clear cut proof and changed gears to make the hostility all about me, which deflected attention from your being disproven.

Now, amazingly, the entire problem SS problem here is because of me. Even though I almost never engage in SS arguments on this forum. Even though I willingly paid it, in full and on time for four years to my ex, who needed it.

What I emphatically do here is to call people out for their gut-not-fact based generalizations. Your generalization was one of them.

But there is no use arguing with you. You seem unable to understand neither the logical flow here nor the essence of the issue.

So I am done. Go ahead, take the last word.
 
I don't agree with canadamama's view that this forum is hostile to women seeking SS advise.

I think that SS is the only difficult issue in family law, most other things are straight forward and simply math or time issues (but they are of course made difficult by people who don't like what they are presented with).

Given this, SS is a hot topic, and for the most part it is women seeking SS.

I think that SS is the problem, not women - if men were seeking it equally, then they would also get push back, but it is almost always women, so they receive push back from some. It is not a gender issue.

This thread contains some silly useless banter by both 'sides', and though I have rarely been name called here and possibly don't know what it really feels like, I think two things -

1. this is a public forum where people can say silly things and people should not expect otherwise.
2. stick and stones! - we all are/have been in some distress from divorce issues, but we are adults here and surely we can handle the criticism and name calling - really not a big deal to be disagreed with and name called is it?

I think the problem from the OP was when she queried about the duration of entitlement to SS from a short 5 year marriage as relating to the raising of her kids from a previous relationship that she is already receiving support for - which gives the impression that she feels other people should take care of her instead doing it herself.

It would be refreshing though if the name callers and antagonizers in this thread could stop doing that - its embarrassing to them and takes away from their insights posted.
 
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This has turned into the Whack-a-Mole game Mess described so aptly in a different thread.

Amazing how a tribe of trolls can hijack a forum like this.
 
I think the problem from the OP was when she queried about the duration of entitlement to SS from a short 5 year marriage as relating to the raising of her kids from a previous relationship that she is already receiving support for - which gives the impression that she feels other people should take care of her instead doing it herself.
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It’s funny that you should make such an assumption. It is further from the truth.
It was a total of 7 years together. I had to support him fully the first 2 before marriage while he paid for his 30 year olds rent etc.
I was the one with the house, all the furnishings and I was the one that put the entire down payment on the new house. (At the very last minute he suddenly didn't have half the down payment that he was suppose to) I have never felt that I should be taken care of. I am an extremely independent woman believe it or not.
Please everyone stop attaching me. I did just ask a simple question. If I was a real mean vicious person like everyone is trying to portray me as, I would have him arrested for some of the things that he has done.
Yes, I have sinned and I trusted and believed in love again. I would have never put my children and I through such emotional abuse just too simply try to get some SS. Please think about what you are actually accusing me of. 5 years marriage plus 2 years basically common law (7 years total) is a very big deal when the children were only 4,6,8 when first together.
If you guys are still angry with your ex's and your situation please do not take that anger out on me.
 
Well, DUH: That's because NBDad is our token "woman liker" ... the rest of us are rabid anti-XX'ers and belong to a secret club. And, no you CAN'T come in our clubhouse.
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I like womens....I also likes me some TATER TOTS! :D

Oh, and, swallow the effin' pill
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But don't drink the kool-aid *waggles eyebrows*

I was the one with the house, all the furnishings and I was the one that put the entire down payment on the new house
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Would this be a bad time to tell you that he can claim 50% of the increase in value as part of equalization since you married him?

Short answer to the original question:

It's not an automatic entitlement. Depending on how much YOU make vs how much HE makes and a whole host of other factors you may not qualify. If you DO, then it's not for very long. (a couple of years at most). You'd be best off considering negotiating that away for a larger share of equalization. (ie. try to get him to sign off on his rights to the house).

Child support would TYPICALLY be added into YOUR income yes, though because they are not his kids it may make a difference. Talk to a lawyer or get your behind down to the FLIC to seek some solid answers.
 
canadamama said:
And in response to your question, I am saying that he purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts arguments and attacks others on this forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his peers. He sparks of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'You're a bitch. F**k you very much.' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

... and that therefore he is a troll - ditto for you, Mess, at least in this thread.
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There are a couple of 'polls' that you might be interested in participating in, on the general chat area of this forum ....one os on 'bullies' by yours truly...the other...'how does it feel'...by dtte.

Though I am not in agreement with some of your statements and i have my own opinions on this whole 'entitlement' thingy it doesn't give me the right to start calling you names using profanity delivered remarks.

We can have entitlements to welfare for example, and legally get it..we know it does get abused alot...not to mention any moral obligations or consideration we may have when considering someone entitlement vs the impact in which that entitlement is imposed on an individual. Also there is the... need vs entitlement...which should be a factor as well..but again they are just my opinions lol.

I believe we can have disagreements without dragging in all the gutter talk and name calling..this is...all in a way to seemly push someone into submission...this whole process is quite easy to get sucked into..and yes the vast majority of us in here are emotional for our own reasons and looking for validation...just my 2 cents.
 
You two should hook up.

You'll get along just fine, until you both start in with your ridiculous woe is me nonsense, at which time I would love to be a fly on the wall.
 
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