Ex refusing to pay for braces

[Berner_Faith]

So first of all his new spouse is not responsible for paying for your child's teeth or anything for that matter. Unless there is an arrangement to do so.



Second - If he makes $105/year and you are covering 32%...it sounds like you are taking in about the $30-35K bracket. You don't mention spousal support but I assume you do take that along with child support. With all numbers, calculated approx of course, you both should be netting about $55-60/year. In short you BOTH take in the same amount of money..... I know because those numbers are similar to me. My ex only need pay 29% of costs....but yet we net the same. hmmmm? I smell some Kim Cambell....



Now you can force him through court to pay....which will take more money from the kids...because he has to pay a lawyer, and money does not grow on trees. Di you know his current debt load? Did you take it to him in court? Crush him like most women?



My kids come first....I have no savings....I barely cover expenses...and have a 3 bed 1100 sq home. If my daughter or son needs braces...the answer is no. Unless I dip into their RESP fund.....and that is not right. Bottom line is you have no idea about your exs financial situation. How much did he lose in the separation? What is his current debt load?





Sounds like his spouse is paying for the entire thing....no way he can cover that with the "debt bondage" he has to pay you.... His work pays him $105K/yr but you know he does not keep that.... the law says he is indebted to you and he must pay you.





Does not sound like he is blocking anyone. If he said, "I have the money and no I will not pay." Then yes, he is blocking. Is he saying this?



Sounds to me like he has not the money. I would need to know more about his financial debt, outside of your own legal "debt bondage" you have on him.



Just an idea....maybe you could take the same schooling your ex has and earn the same pay as he. That 3-5 years....your daughter will still be young and you would eliminate the debt bondage for your ex to properly spend money on your kids, save for the future of your kids and maybe even have a better relationship with you.



End the debt bondage first.

Lol wow... projection much?

Braces are a medical expense, he doesn’t have a choice and either do you if it comes to that with your children. I would take him to court, he would be ordered to pay for braces and court costs for being a jerk about it. Sad you would deny your child braces so you don’t have to dip into your rrsp. Can clearly see where your priorities are


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[arabian]

What a loser. Anyone who has kids who doesn't step-up-to-the plate and pay for kids braces should be ashamed. SOMEONE pay it and then duke it out in court. This should be a non-issue. Disgraceful that people would prefer to spend money on a lawyer over paying for their kids braces... pump gas... work at McDonalds.... whatever.

It's not like taxpayers aren't giving parents enough money already each and every month?

 

[Newfie76]

What a loser. Anyone who has kids who doesn't step-up-to-the plate and pay for kids braces should be ashamed. SOMEONE pay it and then duke it out in court. This should be a non-issue. Disgraceful that people would prefer to spend money on a lawyer over paying for their kids braces... pump gas... work at McDonalds.... whatever.

It's not like taxpayers aren't giving parents enough money already each and every month?

As I stated in my post...does anyone know what this mans debt load is? Because like most men that go through divorce court (unlike women; statistically proven) they have NO MONEY LEFT to pay for anything!!!! Get it!

Now if some uneducated high on her horse women wants to try and squeeze blood from a turnip...they can hire a lawyer (because they generally have more equity after divorce than a man)...and go for more money...but what this does (again statistically proven) leaves a man two options 1) bankruptcy or 2) dip into the kids resp (if they have one) which directly hurts the children's future. But what does a woman care...as long as she does not have to pay for her child's health or education she is happy. Stats are coming out more and more regarding men's suicide due to this same behavior from women....but again what does a woman care...they think a man does not belong in a child life. shameful a women would say she will not pay for her child teeth...its the job of the man. shameful.

I myself...have taken on two jobs to "try" and give my kids something. They have an RESP (small but something), I can't take them on vacations anymore but I do pay for some sports activities. If my ex demanded I pay for braces...I have no where to turn. There is no more money...two jobs....most goes to my ex. Like most women who receive money from a "debt bonded" ex husband, she has zero incentive to work and contribute equal financial part in the raising of her kids.

Really....what kind of person assumes a father would NOT want to pay for a child's teeth? really....only a monster. Its embarrassing to say you have no money when you work a good job...but when you look at the bigger picture...I myself pay my ex approx $47K gross a year....I have no money to even fix my car....started busing last week. So...dear judge...how would you like the fathers out there to pay for teeth...when we already have paid for a second house for the ex, a second car for the ex, clothing for the ex, makeup for the ex, jewelry for the ex, 3 vacations in 5 months for the ex and etc.... how exactly?

Simple math is the answer...and then they wonder why women are not getting top paid positions....gesss

From the last two posts....shameful.

My father pull his own teeth out for me, as I would for my own kids if I knew it would help....may have to....cause I HAVE NO MONEY...and my ex has. So who is the bad person?

frustrating when the answer is black and white. Logic is not a common denominator is it ladies?

 

[Newfie76]

Lol wow... projection much?

Braces are a medical expense, he doesn’t have a choice and either do you if it comes to that with your children. I would take him to court, he would be ordered to pay for braces and court costs for being a jerk about it. Sad you would deny your child braces so you don’t have to dip into your rrsp. Can clearly see where your priorities are


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I said the kids RESP (Registered Educational Savings Plan) not RRSP. Whats a RRSP? You have one of those? I don't....as I said when I have money...my kids come first.

Shame you would take your kids father to court to try and take more of your kids money away from them....

Is that the goal of most women....to try and "make" it look like the Dad "won't" pay vs "Can't pay"? That's a dirty trick!!!

You know what happens to most kids fathers that get beaten up so bad they have no where to turn? You should research that one....

Shameful most women feel they are entitled to control men as they please. Just because the law say you can does NOT make it morally or ethically right.

 

[Newfie76]

It's not like taxpayers aren't giving parents enough money already each and every month?

Really? you do realize that the payor of child support payments has their "Truedoe Baby Bonus" calculated on their gross income prior to paying any support.... simple math states the bonus for most fathers is very little. And in the case of this father in the original post....he lives with a new spouse...ironically the money goes to her...as the woman of the household, eve though their not her kids. He will not get to see it...unless she is nice. But not to worry...at $105K/yr....its not very much.

However, the mother on the other hand...with a "Truedoe Baby Bonus" calculated before support....would get a very handsome payout.... Now correct me if I am wrong...but is this money not suppose to go toward the welfare of the kids? So would this not include teeth? Shameful...the government supports all of this BS.

 

[Berner_Faith]

I said the kids RESP (Registered Educational Savings Plan) not RRSP. Whats a RRSP? You have one of those? I don't....as I said when I have money...my kids come first.



Shame you would take your kids father to court to try and take more of your kids money away from them....



Is that the goal of most women....to try and "make" it look like the Dad "won't" pay vs "Can't pay"? That's a dirty trick!!!



You know what happens to most kids fathers that get beaten up so bad they have no where to turn? You should research that one....



Shameful most women feel they are entitled to control men as they please. Just because the law say you can does NOT make it morally or ethically right.

Good assumption on your part! But you’re wrong... I’m actually with my child’s father but he does have two children from his first marriage and guess what... he pays CS every single month and a really good chunk... come July his CS is doubling because of what he made in 2016... guess what else! His son needs braces! Guess what else! He doesn’t have a choice but to pay! Guess what else! That means we cut back on what we can in order to make sure his son can get braces. BECAUSE THATS WHAT PARENTS DO!

So assume what you want, but you’re wrong. A parent doesn’t have a choice but to pay for medical needs, just like they have to pay for post secondary. Should have planned your life better


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[Berner_Faith]

Really? you do realize that the payor of child support payments has their "Truedoe Baby Bonus" calculated on their gross income prior to paying any support.... simple math states the bonus for most fathers is very little. And in the case of this father in the original post....he lives with a new spouse...ironically the money goes to her...as the woman of the household, eve though their not her kids. He will not get to see it...unless she is nice. But not to worry...at $105K/yr....its not very much.



However, the mother on the other hand...with a "Truedoe Baby Bonus" calculated before support....would get a very handsome payout.... Now correct me if I am wrong...but is this money not suppose to go toward the welfare of the kids? So would this not include teeth? Shameful...the government supports all of this BS.

I truly hope you do not have a daughter because you clearly have a negative view towards woman. I will agree the baby bonus isn’t much but who cares? I don’t expect anyone else to support my children other than their mother and father.

It’s funny how you spew all this crap about men but I have to wonder where you stand on deadbeat fathers who don’t support their children? Although I can assume (like you do) that you will place all the blame on mothers. It’s the mothers who force these dead beat fathers to be dead beats right?


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[Newfie76]

I truly hope you do not have a daughter because you clearly have a negative view towards woman.

Yes I do....she is my everything. I hope I can guide her to be a true independent woman who does not need a man to survive. I only have a negative view toward "deadbeat mothers" that can only get through life by having a man indebted to them for life; providing them a source of income and a means to financial support their lives that without would leave most women the inability to actually care for their children.

I will agree the baby bonus isn’t much but who cares? I don’t expect anyone else to support my children other than their mother and father.

Not much? You must be voting Liberal. I receive very little due to my before tax and before CS payments.....however my ex receives near the $9000/yr mark with 50/50 custody. hmmmmm? You don't expect anyone else to support children other than their mother and father? I think every tax payer is already supporting every dead beat mother out there with the "TrueDoe Baby Bonus"....thats your tax dollars. Some deadbeat mothers receive the maximum which is near $15,000 a year.....

It’s funny how you spew all this crap about men but I have to wonder where you stand on deadbeat fathers who don’t support their children? Although I can assume (like you do) that you will place all the blame on mothers. It’s the mothers who force these dead beat fathers to be dead beats right?

Well that's easy! I have no place for any deadbeat parent. One that lives of another whether that be forced through law or runs from their responsibilities as a parent. They are all equal!! garbage.

Currently, there are 72.9% of women receiving the amount of CS they are suppose to. The other 27.1% are either receiving a portion of CS or non-at all. This is really where I get angry....A court will always award (a bondage award) for a mother without fully looking at weather a man can actually pay the amount or not. They just don't care....just pay it. This is just cruelty...and some men fall into the deadbeat dad category without a fighting chance....Some judges are harder than others....Some men resort to suicide...due to severe depression.

I still send the bi-weekly payments in full as any modern day salve should to their master (debt bondage) on time every time. And as long as they dont increase I will always send them. I don't support it...but I do it. The law says I must continue to support my ex wife and her lifestyle....the law says she does not need to work and can spend that money as she pleases (3 vacations in 4 months to the Caribbean with no kids)...The law "uses" the "children" as a means to provide support for all deadbeat women. Women should really stop hiding behind their children.....Shameful...


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[Newfie76]

come July his CS is doubling because of what he made in 2016... guess what else! His son needs braces! Guess what else! He doesn’t have a choice but to pay! Guess what else! That means we cut back on what we can in order to make sure his son can get braces. BECAUSE THATS WHAT PARENTS DO!

Soooo you assume that because "your man" makes good money....that all men must make the same good money? I HAVE NO MONEY....I give ALL my disposal income to my ex wife. I eat only can food....no fresh fruit or vegetables...only can for me......then have to explain to my kids as they eat some better food why daddy eats something different. They already know that daddy has no money...

By the way...I am a single father...I dont have someone helping me pay the mortgage, heat, light etc.... I assume you help your husband with those things?

So assume what you want, but you’re wrong. A parent doesn’t have a choice but to pay for medical needs, just like they have to pay for post secondary. Should have planned your life better.

Yes I know....our shotty law says this.....cant wait till I am in front of a judge again....cant wait.... where is the money coming from? I have no idea. 2 jobs aint cutting it. But yet the deadbeat mother is allowed to stay at home while I pay her mortgage, food, vacations etc....

yes I should have never gotten married...better planning... MGTOW

 

[Rioe]

I don't know your situation, but obviously you are quite bitter about it because it seems unfair. Do you not have 50-50? Does your ex work or have an income imputed to her?


CS tables are about 10% of income, and s7 could add a few % more to that. It's entirely within reason to be paying 15%-20% of your income to support your children. If it's going higher than that, something is wrong with YOUR situation, not the system itself.


As for the matter at hand, I suspect the father knows full well the mother will pay it even if he doesn't contribute. So he doesn't feel like he's denying his child, he feels like he's denying the mother. He needs to realize that if the mom has to pay 100% of the braces expense, other parts of the child's life are going to suffer, because now she can't afford an activity, or better food, etc.


Just send him notice that braces are an automatic s7 expense, and if he won't pay his share voluntarily, she'll take him to court where she'll likely win. If that doesn't win, the child gets to hear that there'll be no gymnastics or hockey or dance anymore.

 

[Berner_Faith]

Soooo you assume that because "your man" makes good money....that all men must make the same good money? I HAVE NO MONEY....I give ALL my disposal income to my ex wife. I eat only can food....no fresh fruit or vegetables...only can for me......then have to explain to my kids as they eat some better food why daddy eats something different. They already know that daddy has no money...



By the way...I am a single father...I dont have someone helping me pay the mortgage, heat, light etc.... I assume you help your husband with those things?







Yes I know....our shotty law says this.....cant wait till I am in front of a judge again....cant wait.... where is the money coming from? I have no idea. 2 jobs aint cutting it. But yet the deadbeat mother is allowed to stay at home while I pay her mortgage, food, vacations etc....



yes I should have never gotten married...better planning... MGTOW

In case you were not aware CS is based on income, so while my husband “makes good money” his CS reflects that, if he didn’t “make good money” his Cs would reflect that as well. So whether someone “makes good money” or not, their Cs is set to reflect their income. My husband pays about 15% of his income in CS, that leaves 85% in our household. We don’t have disposable income either but that’s okay, he decided to have children and I decided to have a child with him, so we are well aware our income goes towards our children. As parents isn’t that what you work for? Your children? If you can’t afford your support there is something wrong with you, not the system. You need to look for ways to reduce your bills so you can afford to support your children. If you owe S.S. then you must have a decent income, especially if what you pay your ex means she can afford all these vacations. Don’t cry poor because you made poor decisions and married someone who doesn’t work. You’re not poor, you just have bills like every other parent.


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[rockscan]

His spouse should be putting the kids on her benefits. I did it not for the kids but because it reduces my partners contribution to the cost.

Reminder that these costs are for the kids not the parent. Your ex isnt getting braces, your child is.

 

[Berner_Faith]

His spouse should be putting the kids on her benefits. I did it not for the kids but because it reduces my partners contribution to the cost.

Reminder that these costs are for the kids not the parent. Your ex isnt getting braces, your child is.

Does the portion your benefits cover come off the top or just off what your partner pays?


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[rockscan]

It gets submitted to hers, they pay a portion. Then his, they pay a portion. Then mine.

For instance, expenses are $2000. Hers covers $1000, his $500, mine $500. I could simply keep it secret and keep the $500 while he pays his 40% of the $500 but that would be fraud and I don’t want to put that energy out there.

 

[Berner_Faith]

It gets submitted to hers, they pay a portion. Then his, they pay a portion. Then mine.

For instance, expenses are $2000. Hers covers $1000, his $500, mine $500. I could simply keep it secret and keep the $500 while he pays his 40% of the $500 but that would be fraud and I don’t want to put that energy out there.

That’s what I thought... my cousins ex doesn’t think so and said her ex had his new partner take the kids off her benefits, but she’s certain they are still on them. My step kids are covered u see mine as well and S13 needs braces, my plans is the only one that covers the braces so it will all be submitted to my plan and then the rest shared


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[Newfie76]

In case you were not aware CS is based on income, so while my husband “makes good money” his CS reflects that, if he didn’t “make good money” his Cs would reflect that as well. So whether someone “makes good money” or not, their Cs is set to reflect their income. My husband pays about 15% of his income in CS, that leaves 85% in our household. We don’t have disposable income either but that’s okay, he decided to have children and I decided to have a child with him, so we are well aware our income goes towards our children. As parents isn’t that what you work for? Your children? If you can’t afford your support there is something wrong with you, not the system. You need to look for ways to reduce your bills so you can afford to support your children. If you owe S.S. then you must have a decent income, especially if what you pay your ex means she can afford all these vacations. Don’t cry poor because you made poor decisions and married someone who doesn’t work. You’re not poor, you just have bills like every other parent.


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You live on Saturn? I earn $105K a year, I pay SS and CS. I married a working woman. She decided to not work anymore...to look after kids. I wish women were slaves of men...but they are not. I as any man can not control a woman to work or not. With that said, court decided I must pay her mid range....thus I am left with enough money to buy food, heat, light, a little for RESP, basic activates for the kids, Insurance and mortgage. Today I work for my ex wife....she takes that money and spends on herself and little on the kids. If I had control over the money I earned....those kids would be sitting pretty....best of everything.

Frustrating that women refuse to see the other side and "assume" the man is stupid...burning his money away.... LOL I EAT CANNED FOOD AND ONLY CANNED FOOD!!! My medicince to stay alive costs $500/mth....I shop at value village!! I went to school for several years to look forward to be indebted to my ex wife as a slave for the remainder of my life. Women everywhere rejoice!! Sick society! Your sick people.

Teeth? I have two cracked teeth that need work....bet you would think I would get those fixed before my daughters now dont you.... thats sick. You need help.

Any judge that takes more than half a mans salary away and then expects him to continue the life style and means to support children is also sick. I am require to continue to support the lifestyle of my ex... But hey...we have a prime minister that loves women, takes his shirt off at every chance he gets, supports women rights, abortion, terrorism, getting high and giving free money to single Moms already makes $50K + from their ex husbands.... and always has that "I am so great" smirk on his face.... With that kind of society that voted for him....no wonder I fail to reach any logic on this forum. Just like Justine Truedoe....everyone on hear seems to think that $50K, no down payment, no savings and two children is wealthy in a major city in Canada and that money is everywhere...thus all expenses should be paid.

This country is sick!

 

[rockscan]

As we have said to you before, YOU were an equal part of the decision for her to stay home year after year. You made your bed...

 

[Berner_Faith]

As we have said to you before, YOU were an equal part of the decision for her to stay home year after year. You made your bed...

Useless to even try Rockscan... typical S.S. payor response... they never “agree” for the wife to stay home yet they allow it and support wife for years and then cry how unfair the system is.


If my husband made a decision without talking to me about it and us both agreeing to it we wouldn’t be married very long. If he decided to stay home or quit his “well paying” job I would 100% disagree and if he still did this, we would be divorcing. I certainly wouldn’t allow it for years and then complain about it. Be responsible for your actions.

You make over $100k a year, if you can’t afford life you’re doing something wrong


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[arabian]

SS is 100% taxable to your ex (and 100% deductible to you).

"...If I had control over the money I earned....those kids would be sitting pretty....best of everything...."

Really? I glean from you post that CONTROL is a big deal to you. Well... guess what..... you don't have control anymore.

When your wife "decided not to work anymore" where were you? Come on, admit it, you were pumped up and likely bragging to your friends that the little woman was at home with the kids. (There is nothing wrong with being proud of supporting one's family.)

Reality is that you are now not with the little woman anymore. Your ex is going to make mistakes and gosh.... spend some money on herself.

You are a very bitter individual. You simply hate women unless they are in service to you.

Your choice to eat poorly (canned as opposed to fresh food) is your lot in life and if you lived a healthier lifestyle perhaps you could reduce your medications? Same goes with your broken teeth. Some people have to have their teeth pulled out and go to dentures. Reality. You make choices and you have to live with them. Move to a cheaper location, look at alternative transportation. Or you could look at getting a second job? I work 50+ hours a week. I'm probably much older than you are. What's keeping you from working another job?

 

[piggybanktoex]

Typical Payees.....you "let her stay home".....you "picked her"......even though you can not force a wife/partner to work....after the tears of "I can't leave my baby in daycare"......who still doesn't return to work after kids in school.

Only solution would be divorce which what causes the money problem in the first place.

My ex couldn't work, but managed weekly trips to BF, and another failed marriage. Now collects cats and WORKS. No change in what I pay her.

I was very successful and that almost cost me everything. My survival had nothing to do with Family Law.

Grownups should be taking care of themselves. Paying her "share" with money she gets in SS and CS is not paying her share.

My divorce isn't final to me until I finish payments at the end of the next decade. MGTOW.....marriage was the stupidest thing I ever did.