child support

stefania_t

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Hello, I am new to the forums. I joined because I am wondering if someone can help. My ex and I divorced ten years ago. He decided to move away and has not visited with or seen our son (now 12) in quite a few years. His choice. I know I cannot do anything about it, but put my child in therapy and be there for him as much as possible.I need to change some things regarding his financial obligations. His income changed and he is making considerably more. The issue is I need his address or possible place of work to have him served. I have managed to obtain the street name and city and postal code, basically nailed it down to 53 residential addresses in all of Canada. We are in Ontario. He obscured his address on his tax return but quite a bit was still visible. I just don't have the street number. Clearly he is trying to hide from paying the amount he should be paying, and trying to hide from being served. At this point, I have been in touch with a PI who can locate him. Has anyone gone this route? It is ridiculous I have to pay someone to find him. Can I sue him to pay for the fees of using a PI and process server since he is not being cooperative? I am going to be seeing my lawyer again in a couple weeks, but I am curious as to others experiences and outcomes. Thank you for any help.
 
His tax forms are supposed to be non redacted. Send him a follow up email and request the full non redacted form including his address noting he is obligated to provide you with full contact information.

When you see your lawyer, ask them about filing and serving him via email as it is the only way you are able to contact him.

Legally he has to provide you with contact information in case of emergency and he is in the wrong for redacting his address.
 
His tax forms are supposed to be non redacted.
Not necessarily true. My ex does not need to know how much I contributed to RRSPs or how much of a tax refund I got. It is not relevant for the purposes of why we exchange tax information. All that my ex needs to know is my mailing address, and my line 15000 income for the purposes of calculating supports.. The rest, is redacted.
 
Not necessarily true. My ex does not need to know how much I contributed to RRSPs or how much of a tax refund I got. It is not relevant for the purposes of why we exchange tax information. All that my ex needs to know is my mailing address, and my line 15000 income for the purposes of calculating supports.. The rest, is redacted.

Technically you aren't supposed to redact any part of your forms. We redacted my salary and SIN as well as his return on my husband's taxes and his lawyer said the only thing we could redact was my info. Everything else had to be clear to prove he wasn't hiding anything.
 
Technically you aren't supposed to redact any part of your forms. We redacted my salary and SIN as well as his return on my husband's taxes and his lawyer said the only thing we could redact was my info. Everything else had to be clear to prove he wasn't hiding anything.
Your information is irrelevant when it comes to disclosure for the purposes of calculating supports. All that matters is what your husband earned in accordance with Line 15000 on his Notice of Assessment. That is his gross income. How much your husband contributed to his RRSP’s, and how much of a tax refund he received because he donated lots to charity or maxed his RRSPs with his disposable income is NONE of his ex’s business. All you need to do is show your line 15000 for the purposes of updating supports. I won’t further engage in a futile discussion. Your husband is welcome to do as he pleases. I’m just informing others that all which is needed is disclosure of gross income as accounted with CRA.
 
Nope and you can disagree all you want. If your agreement says full tax materials and NOA, you aren't supposed to redact anything.
 
If ex on T4 that’s one story, short NOA could be sufficient, but if there is self employment I can see a need for non redacted version. My ex shown about 15k on line 150, and only after over a year of requests via courts to show her self employed income it became apparent she earns over 150k on several corporations , but writes off 135k a year (where is the CRA audit when you need one). Her lawyer was excessively rude that “you only need NOA”, and it was essentially her lawyer’s hysterical behaviour that made me to believe there was a fraud.
 
Nope and you can disagree all you want. If your agreement says full tax materials and NOA, you aren't supposed to redact anything.
I am correct to disagree, and have written confirmation of two separate lawyers also in agreement. Agreement says absolutely nothing about exchanging full tax assessments. All it says it that supports are to be updated in accordance with income confirmed by CRA on Line 15000. So I provide proof (Notice of Assessment info) as it relates to Line 15000 ONLY. That is ALL that is required to be shared. Not how much I invested of my disposable income. Not how much I received in a tax return. Simply line 15000. Again, confirmed by 2 separate lawyers. So while your husband may give his entire assessment, not all cases and/or agreements are the same, so please do not elude to others being incorrect in their actions.
 
I am correct to disagree, and have written confirmation of two separate lawyers also in agreement. ....

.... so please do not elude to others being incorrect in their actions.

What you feel is correct is not relevant. Regardless, the family law rules are clear on you providing full and unredacted disclosure. If your ex took you to court over it, you would be forced to provide everything. The only thing that is allowed to be redacted is your personal sin number and bank account numbers, but even that - you have to have a complete unredacted version available upon request.
 
What you feel is correct is not relevant. Regardless, the family law rules are clear on you providing full and unredacted disclosure. If your ex took you to court over it, you would be forced to provide everything. The only thing that is allowed to be redacted is your personal sin number and bank account numbers, but even that - you have to have a complete unredacted version available upon request.
I’ll listen to the 2 lawyers who have actually read my agreement and said all that is required to be provided is Line 15000. But you guys do you. All situations are different and there is nothing in law that stipulates what needs to be provided….it all depends what’s written in your agreement. Show me where it’s written in legislation, regulations, or the family law rules that says it cannot be redacted. Again, it depends what your agreement says and how it’s written.
 
I’ll listen to the 2 lawyers who have actually read my agreement and said all that is required to be provided is Line 15000. But you guys do you. All situations are different and there is nothing in law that stipulates what needs to be provided….it all depends what’s written in your agreement. Show me where it’s written in legislation, regulations, or the family law rules that says it cannot be redacted. Again, it depends what your agreement says and how it’s written.

Ah the two lawyers you were paying or wanted your business.

The law says to provide the documents. It is implied by law that you provide full and complete information meaning non redacted. The fact that your ex hasn't taken you to court over it doesn't mean you or the lawyers are right. You are also a T4 employee and have been for enough time for your ex not to question it.
 
The law says to provide the documents. It is implied by law that you provide full and complete information meaning non redacted. The fact that your ex hasn't taken you to court over it
Incorrect. Nowhere does the law say it. Zero place. Nor is it implied. What IS stated, and reflected in the agreement, is that we share our Line 15000s for the purpose of updating supports.

My ex is welcome to bring me to court. I give my line 15000 annually and we update our supports. As outlined in our agreement. I’ll take the word of two lawyers who passed the bar and practice family law over someone on the internet who thinks their right with no legal experience.

Modrerators: This forum USED to be good. There is a direct correlation between the uprise of 1 commenter and the decline in posts on this forum. Act accordingly as I’ve read many occasions of people not being able to openly speak without having to get into a back/forth with a non-lawyer who feels compelled to have the last inaccurate word.
 
Incorrect. Nowhere does the law say it. Zero place. Nor is it implied. What IS stated, and reflected in the agreement, is that we share our Line 15000s for the purpose of updating supports.

My ex is welcome to bring me to court. I give my line 15000 annually and we update our supports. As outlined in our agreement. I’ll take the word of two lawyers who passed the bar and practice family law over someone on the internet who thinks their right with no legal experience.

Modrerators: This forum USED to be good. There is a direct correlation between the uprise of 1 commenter and the decline in posts on this forum. Act accordingly as I’ve read many occasions of people not being able to openly speak without having to get into a back/forth with a non-lawyer who feels compelled to have the last inaccurate word.

Their is not the same as they're.

No one is forcing you to stay! See yourself out if you don't like it!
 
I wouldn’t discourage people out of here, regardless of their opinion, as discussions I see in recent years nearly not the same quality before.

When I came here ten years ago there were significantly more people posting. And by significantly I mean at least 25 people posting or commenting per day with active cases going on. I came here for information on section 7 expenses and had at least ten to twelve people chime in. At the end of the second year there were many cases going on with posters sharing details and updates. The volume of posters and posts has gone down.
 
I've read many occasions of people not being able to openly speak without having to get into a back/forth with a non-lawyer who feels compelled to have the last inaccurate word.

You don't have to anything. If you choose to engage with other posters, that's entirely up to you. You can choose not to, or use the ignore feature.
 
When I came here ten years ago there were significantly more people posting. And by significantly I mean at least 25 people posting or commenting per day with active cases going on. I came here for information on section 7 expenses and had at least ten to twelve people chime in. At the end of the second year there were many cases going on with posters sharing details and updates. The volume of posters and posts has gone down.

I wasn’t here nearly as long, and only read some of the older posts, and I am sure only fraction of what you read. But fact is there are fewer posters here now than before. Divorce rate is at record high levels, so where are the people?
Have they moved to new platforms? My personal observation it isn’t uncommon that some comments unleash quite a reaction by some regular posters (not in this thread), and as a result potential user of a platform leaves for good.
Apologies to everyone for off topic.
 
I wasn’t here nearly as long, and only read some of the older posts, and I am sure only fraction of what you read. But fact is there are fewer posters here now than before. Divorce rate is at record high levels, so where are the people?
Have they moved to new platforms? My personal observation it isn’t uncommon that some comments unleash quite a reaction by some regular posters (not in this thread), and as a result potential user of a platform leaves for good.
Apologies to everyone for off topic.

Reddit has a lot of threads on divorce and legal matters and tik tok has a number of people who post information.

As well, people may not be looking for information in a forum. A lot of organizations have benefits that include assistance from a lawyer.
 
Incorrect. Nowhere does the law say it. Zero place. Nor is it implied. What IS stated, and reflected in the agreement, is that we share our Line 15000s for the purpose of updating supports.

My ex is welcome to bring me to court. I give my line 15000 annually and we update our supports. As outlined in our agreement. I’ll take the word of two lawyers who passed the bar and practice family law over someone on the internet who thinks their right with no legal experience.

Lawyers, especially divorce lawyers are infamous for giving shady advice with the only certainty being they increase the chances of money being spent on litigation. My apologies to the good guys; Family Law lawyers are often seen as the worst of the worst by their peers, even the ambulance chasers.

I will state why 15000 being the law's and your ex's only concern is wrong.

1)
A clause that has someone contradict the law become invalid when challenged. People cannot sign away their rights and the law states that the information is to be provided. Plenty of instances where this is true including the most obvious which is signing away Child Support; a lawyer must be very careful, creative and a bit lucky when attempting to circumvent it.
Plenty of examples of this in other areas of law too.

2)
In some instances more than the information on line 15000 is relevant. For example, the source of the income is important for transparency:

-Bob has a rental unit and a regular job. The ex knows they have both. Bob decides that they are going to under report rental income via a cash deal, revealing the income sources would show that they are only claiming $1000 for rent when the ex knows they are collecting $1500.
-Bob just got a raise but claims nearly the same income blended with their other income. How is this possible?
-Bob provided fabricated documentation to the court and lack of disclosure hurts the discovery of that.
-Bob is under earning purposely and able to hide it because their investment income increased. They are under employed and hiding it.
-Bob hid money during the divorce and that money is now earning interest or investment income but is evading discovery due to lack of disclosure.

I can go on about [NODE="2"]Forum[/NODE] and I am not saying all of those are winning arguments. I am simply saying "frank disclosure" as per the law is important for those reasons. Disclosure also creates trust and avoids distrust from being sowed, trust is a healthy and good thing.

Almost every time someone does not want to disclose it is due to hostility on their part OR greed in hiding benefits so they look not as well off as they are.

Although legal I really disagree with the hiding of benefits that parents receive from the government for supporting children (that don't get disclosed); that money can add up to tens of thousands of dollars and promote underemployment.
 
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