Canada and the Long Gun registry

[billm]

I posted a link (several comments back) of an article re: Sandy Hook from the U.K.

I was hoping there would be some feedback generated from it, although it is on the 'Conspiratorial Side' - (there are some interesting points raised, in it).

A bit on the Conspiratorial Side????

It the biggest load of insane delusional unsubstantiated nonsense I have read in my life, interesting 'points' not withstanding.

Once one starts to look at the world through those eyes and see everything as a conspiracy, they are lost. I'm was surprised that you even posted the link as anything but a joke.

 

[firhill]

A bit on the Conspiratorial Side????

It the biggest load of insane delusional unsubstantiated nonsense I have read in my life, interesting 'points' not withstanding.

Once one starts to look at the world through those eyes and see everything as a conspiracy, they are lost. I'm was surprised that you even posted the link as anything but a joke.

^^^This^^^

 

[hadenough]

Oh Relax... I wrote above...^ "although it is on the 'Conspiratorial Side" * I did not say a "bit."

Nope, was no joke. Sorry to disappoint. Just an interesting point of view. I didn't write the article so don't 'shoot' the messenger. Furthermore I did not express or imply that I support it. Just thought it was interesting.

That aside, I do believe the media (mainstream or other) can be very misleading, a lot of the time. I also wouldn't find humor in anything related to a mass shooting massacre.

 

[murphyslaw]

Similar approach I take when parents come to this message board and post piles of hearsay about "intimate partner abuse", "controlling" ex-spouses, "child abuse" etc...

The media often projects a view of a situation in a way that they want similar these posters I find. It is called "spin". Similar pattern of behaviour of "saving ones self" that often people use on this forum in their own matters before the courts.

Best said by the Honourable Madame Justice Mossip:



http://www.ottawadivorce.com/forum/f3/introducing-very-honourable-madame-justice-mossip-13753/

Yet, there are those who will hurl allegations, in light of cogent and relevant evidence to the "spin" at me and the others who hold a similar view. Which is rather unfortunate to say the least.

Good Luck!
Tayken

Im confused as to what exactly is your point?Yes there is fakers on here fishing for good "stories".Both male and female.My ex partner went into anger management voluntarily, because he knew what he did was wrong and he admitted on his affidavits.I have custody he has visitation,just as he agreed.He happily dodges child support ,I don't care.So far he has not re offended, and is sticking to the program.

I bear him no malice and really don't spend alot of time thinking about him.It seems that alot of crazy allegations and stupid petty things were coming from his partner.Hopefully she will realize that I do not want him back, and the kids can access both parents without and further drama.I have never denied access.Never played games .

On the other hand I will not tolerate bullying .Having a big brain Tayken ,does not give you the right to fight battles of wits with less skilled opponents until they have a nervous breakdown.That is not very sporting.
ps.
If you want a debate just ask for one.Spousal support could be fun?

 

[caranna]

Im confused as to what exactly is your point?Yes there is fakers on here fishing for good "stories".Both male and female.My ex partner went into anger management voluntarily, because he knew what he did was wrong and he admitted on his affidavits.I have custody he has visitation,just as he agreed.He happily dodges child support ,I don't care.So far he has not re offended, and is sticking to the program.

I bear him no malice and really don't spend alot of time thinking about him.It seems that alot of crazy allegations and stupid petty things were coming from his partner.Hopefully she will realize that I do not want him back, and the kids can access both parents without and further drama.I have never denied access.Never played games .

On the other hand I will not tolerate bullying .Having a big brain Tayken ,does not give you the right to fight battles of wits with less skilled opponents until they have a nervous breakdown.That is not very sporting.
ps.
If you want a debate just ask for one.Spousal support could be fun?

Murphyslaw, you are a class act. I applaud you.

 

[Tayken]

On the other hand I will not tolerate bullying .Having a big brain Tayken ,does not give you the right to fight battles of wits with less skilled opponents until they have a nervous breakdown.That is not very sporting.
ps.
If you want a debate just ask for one.Spousal support could be fun?

Nor will I. It is not very sporting to come to a public forum and call the parent of the children a sociopath or even allude to that and then project that the statements are truthful.

Furthermore, it is even more concerning when these posters come and then attempt to project blame at others for the bad conduct of others.

Often, highly conflicted people leverage something known as DARVO when presenting their argument.

DARVO:

1. (D )eny
2. (A )ttack
3. (R )everse (V )ictim and (O )ffender

What is DARVO?

DARVO refers to a reaction that perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. The perpetrator or offender may Deny the behavior, Attack the individual doing the confronting, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender such that the perpetrator assumes the victim role and turns the true victim into an alleged offender. This occurs, for instance, when an actually guilty perpetrator assumes the role of “falsely accused” and attacks the accuser’s credibility or even blames the accuser of being the perpetrator of a false accusation.

Furthermore:

I have observed that actual abusers threaten, bully and make a nightmare for anyone who holds them accountable or asks them to change their abusive behavior. This attack, intended to chill and terrify, typically includes threats of lawsuits, overt and covert attacks, on the whistle-blower’s credibility and so on.

The attack will often take the form of focusing on ridiculing the person who attempts to hold the offender accountable. The attack will also likely focus on ad hominem instead of intellectual/evidential issues. Finally, I propose that the offender rapidly creates the impression that the abuser is the wronged one, while the victim or concerned observer is the offender. Figure and ground are completely reversed. The more the offender is held accountable, the more wronged the offender claims to be.

The offender takes advantage of the confusion we have in our culture over the relationship between public provability and reality (and a legal system that has a certain history in this regard) in redefining reality. Future research may test the hypothesis that the offender may well come to believe in innocence via this logic: if no one can be sure they are guilty then logically they are not guilty no matter what really occurred. The reality is thus defined by public proof, not by personal lived experience.

Mr. William Eddy has this to say about "Persuasive Blamers":

Persuasive Blamers persuade others that their internal problems are external, caused by something else or someone else. Once others are persuaded to get the problem backward, the dispute escalates into a long-term, high-conflict situation. One that few people other than persuasive blamers can tolerate. (Eddy, 2006, p. 29).

I am not going to go through the vast amount of supporting evidence posted to this very website Murphyslaw but, rather invite the learned posters to review your long history of posting to this website which can easily be easily reviewed:

http://www.ottawadivorce.com/forum/search.php?searchid=555136

I conclude with:

An Immodest Proposal: Domestic Violence Groups Claim the Use of Logic by Men is Abuse | Shrink4Men

I suppose asking (or begging) someone who muddles her way through life using intractable and convoluted emotional reasoning to focus on the facts may feel like torture to the emotional reasoner, but I disagree. It’s is far more abusive to gaslight and browbeat your partner into submitting to one’s distorted unreality and non-stop feeling states that often have very little to do with reality. Respectfully asking an emotional reasoner to develop and use critical thinking skills is a noble, if not futile, enterprise. It certainly isn’t abusive.

Using the “logic” set forth by you Murphyslaw and your negative advocates, I suppose judges, therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists are all abusers as are scientists and other logic-based professionals. What’s next?

(above quote re-worded from the above mentioned article and credit is being provided to the original author Dr. Tara Plamatier for this observation.)

Good Luck!
Tayken

 

[Tayken]

If you want a debate just ask for one.Spousal support could be fun?

Feel free to start a thread for a debate on Spousal Support. I am not sure what there is to "debate" about the topic so I do request that you post some topics that need further exploration and identify your position on the matter so a proper opposition can be researched and presented. But, be fair warned we may share similar views on the topic as you have presented a very wide topic to "debate". So you will have to narrow down the topic that is up for debate.

Some recommendations for your thread:

1. What defines a "short term" marriage when considering Spousal Support Guide Lines?

2. Why have the Spousal Support Guide Lines not been mandated in a similar manner as the Child Support Guide Lines as the Child Support Guide Lines?

To debate the general topic as you propose is not really going to benefit anyone, even the people presenting arguments as the topic range you have proposed is too vast.

Good Luck!
Tayken

 

[murphyslaw]

Gee Tayken you have really helped me out there with that article.Its my ex to a T.It wasnt his fault that he was violent ,it was his mother beating him as a child .It wasnt his fault it was grand theft auto instilling in him lack of respect for women.

On the side of conspiracy Tayken you really have taken the subject on to a level all of your own.You have a deep need to be right and rather than let anything go, you just keep on going and going and going. There has got to be a long winded name for that kind of behaviour......But at this point with the amount of postings you have on this site,all I can have is pity for you.This isn't a helping hand for the unfortunate.This is an all consuming obsession.You have gone after every single woman on this site bar one.That's just sad.Time to get a life in the real world don't ya think?

 

[Tayken]

Gee Tayken you have really helped me out there with that article.Its my ex to a T.It wasnt his fault that he was violent ,it was his mother beating him as a child .It wasnt his fault it was grand theft auto instilling in him lack of respect for women.

On the side of conspiracy Tayken you really have taken the subject on to a level all of your own.You have a deep need to be right and rather than let anything go, you just keep on going and going and going. There has got to be a long winded name for that kind of behaviour......But at this point with the amount of postings you have on this site,all I can have is pity for you.This isn't a helping hand for the unfortunate.This is an all consuming obsession.You have gone after every single woman on this site bar one.That's just sad.Time to get a life in the real world don't ya think?

This response, the content contained within it, the hearsay allegations against the other parent of the children in question and your response I suggest are all evidence in support of the above responses to your possible false allegations against the parent of the children in question and against me as a poster.

Furthermore, it is not an obsession, it is just a statement of facts based on your own possible admission against interest to this very forum that at any time where it serves your argument you will make possibly libel statements against the other parent.

Finally, you turn to personal insults in response which is further demonstrative of your highly conflicted nature. I suspect your continuing record is as disjointed and irrelevant as the arguments you attempt to make counter to the responses I provide on this public forum.

I remind you that this forum's requirements for participation do not permit posters to make personal insults such as the one you have made in this response. Which is unfortunate and possibly demonstrates your true character.

Finally, having actually taken the time to review your contributions to this site they are often in my opinion self serving and provide little insight or value to the members of this forum. They are generally emotional diatribes in my opinion which include usually nothing more than allegations against the other parent of the children in your matter.

Personally, I don't find your contributions to this site to have much value if any value at all. Your reputation on this site and the thanks and praise, more importantly the posters who behave in a similar pattern of behavior, are a testimony to you as a person.

I let the record stand, as recorded not only in this response to me but, the above provided link to all of your posts to this site the "value" of your contributions to this site as a permanent record of your conduct on this site.

You are now the second person to have graced my ignore list on this site.

I conclude this "debate" again with the same statement provided above:

Using the “logic” set forth by you Murphyslaw and your negative advocates, I suppose judges, therapists, psychologists and psychiatrists are all abusers as are scientists and other logic-based professionals. What’s next?

You truly are a "real class act" Murphyslaw. I applaud you.

Your application of special pleading in the above response is transparent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading

Good Luck!
Tayken

 

[murphyslaw]

Yahoo! Groups

A cerebral narcissist uses his intelligence, intellect, and
knowledge to obtain Narcissistic Supply.

Naturally, narcissists love to have an audience - but only because
and as long as it provides them with Narcissistic Supply. Otherwise,
they are not interested in people. All narcissists lack empathy
which makes others much less fascinating than they appear to be to
empathic people.

Narcissists are terrified of introspection. I am not referring to
intellectualisation or rationalisation or the straightforward
application of their intelligence – this would not constitute
introspection. Proper introspection must include an emotional
element, an insight and the ability to emotionally integrate the
insight so that it affects behaviour.





Here you go again with the whole judge and jury behaviour -there is only one answer and that is yours.Now you find it necessary once again to insult but pretend to be a victim.Look everyone I Tayken was critiqued while having no problem critiquing others.



"Personally, I don't find your contributions to this site to have much value if any value at all. Your reputation on this site and the thanks and praise, more importantly the posters who behave in a similar pattern of behaviour, are a testimony to you as a person."



Cant suck and blow at the same time ......

 

[wretchedotis]

Gee Tayken you have really helped me out there with that article.Its my ex to a T.It wasnt his fault that he was violent ,it was his mother beating him as a child .It wasnt his fault it was grand theft auto instilling in him lack of respect for women.

On the side of conspiracy Tayken you really have taken the subject on to a level all of your own.You have a deep need to be right and rather than let anything go, you just keep on going and going and going. There has got to be a long winded name for that kind of behaviour......But at this point with the amount of postings you have on this site,all I can have is pity for you.This isn't a helping hand for the unfortunate.This is an all consuming obsession.You have gone after every single woman on this site bar one.That's just sad.Time to get a life in the real world don't ya think?

You blame video games?

I think if you take a step back at re-examine what Tayken is saying, you would have a difficult time showing how is logic/reasoning is perillous.

There are two sides to every story, and each side of that story is influenced by the personal attributes of that side.

I believe you are foolish (as is anybody) to take the very narrrow minded view that 'the ex' is the sole cause of any and all conflict post seperation.

If you (or anyone) truly believes that about their own situation, I would suggest they have some growing up to do.

 

[wretchedotis]

Cant suck and blow at the same time ......

Strongly disagree with this statement. My last girlfriend will tell you just how good I am at doing just that so as to initiate orgasm.

:O

 

[firhill]

In 2012 Oakland,CA had 131 homicides.

The cause of death in 108 of them was by gun.
The next highest cause of death was by beating, with a total of 4.

Just sayin'

 

[hadenough]

CNN re: Guns in America. Piers Morgan. Guest: Alex Jones.

 

[wretchedotis]

ha!
watching it right now and was gonna post same.

 

[wretchedotis]

Piers Morgan calls pro-gun rights guest Larry Pratt 'an unbelievably stupid man' - UPI.com

 

[arabian]

Wow - I don't think I've ever seen Piers so upset. Interesting exchange.

 

[SadAndTired]

On the other hand I will not tolerate bullying .Having a big brain Tayken ,does not give you the right to fight battles of wits with less skilled opponents until they have a nervous breakdown.

I wish there was a "like" button. Amazing how when this was quoted earlier, this section was removed.