Canada and the Long Gun registry

Canada and the Long Gun registry

  • Yes, It was/am in favour of it.

    Votes: 9 50.0%

  • No. I was/am against it.

    Votes: 4 22.2%

  • Undecided. I do not know.

    Votes: 1 5.6%

  • It was a good idea conceptually, but poorly executed.

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • Total voters
    18
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With my limited, but very important, experience with the police when I had to call 911 I do recall being asked "does your husband have a gun" sort of question. I can understand that it would make a definite difference to reaction when being called to a domestic dispute. A very important question which could mean life or death to the police officers.

Not long ago 3 RCMP officers were slaughtered by a man in Mayerthorpe, Alberta. The guy who killed the officers was a known nut-case to local authorities and the community. He had a violent history and had been arrested on many occasions. He had long-guns stashed around his property and when the show-down happened the police were slaughtered. I actually knew people who had talked to the guy at one time or another. He was regarded as a definite weirdo and suspected pedophile. Everyone just tried to keep their distance from the guy. Quite a sordid story which revealed how he used to lure young men to his farm.

He owned MANY rifles and I guess in a rural community that is quite acceptable. How on earth do you catch these sort of low-life individuals and prevent it from reoccurring? That's the big question. Gun registry sure didn't make a difference in this case.
 
arabian said:
Tayken - you are the person I would really like to have pipe in on this thread. Deflection, violent youth, etc. Please do provide us with your insight here.
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There is a lot of social anxiety that the media and other elements of society have profound impacts on the development of children. I think Marlyn Manson addressed it best in Bowling for Columbine:

Marilyn Manson - Bowling For Columbine - YouTube

Dee Snider snider of Twisted Sister also has a great comment about "censorship" in testimony to Tipper Gore and the Parents Music Resource Centre:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7C5kj1VRIU

Mess' approach to the irony in the message posted is very "Dee Snider" testimony to the senate comity. I highly recommend jumping to 3:00 minutes.

It really isn't Dee Snider's fault that Tipper Gore has such a dirty mind...

Here is the full senate hearing on the matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FbBpvoYKpc

Also, for anyone who has not seen the movie for which this clip is from I highly recommend it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478209/

My personal opinion on the posting by Mess in this thread and the "censorship" on this forum:

1. Mess' post can be read, just as Tipper Gore interpreted the lyrics to Twisted Sister's song "Under the Blade".

2. Offence can be tayken to what Mess wrote but, when put into the context of the large body of postings on this site by Mess it is hard to draw any conclusion other than a way of drawing out some discussion on the topic. Which it has and has resulted in some interesting exposure of senior posters. But, one has to consider the large body of postings from Mess when putting it all into context. It is this fact that makes it hard to put the single posting from Mess "Under the Blade" and to do so would be as ignorant as Tipper Gore's review of the song for which I am quoting.

3. Censorship of content on this board is something that everyone has to live with if you want to participate on this board. I don't think that the moderators and owner miss use their presumed "powers" to silence anyone nor have I seen them do this.

4. I did not take offense to Mess' creative writing. In fact, it was so well written I passed it through some filters to see if it was creatively lifted from fictional literature.

5. Was Mess' comments appropriate in the context of the question for this thread. That is a something every individual will have to judge themselves. I posted a link to a really bad Sean Connery movie where a head vomits weapons on the people and states "The gun is good!". Surprised no one took offense to how really awful that movie is in general and the fact that Sean Connery has been used by another poster to justify intimate partner abuse. (No one caught my very subtle reference in relating a bad movie from a bad actor who makes awful misogyny statements in the public media and the poster who often vomits on this message board quite often.)

6. Children are the product of their parents and not the media. If parents are not appropriately involved in their children's lives, love their children and do what good parents should do then they have only themselves to blame and not the media, heavy metal, Mess, the Internet and social media.

Good Luck!
Tayken
 
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The film is essentially the story of the court case where Judas Priest and their defence team challenged the prosecution who alleged their music "caused" the surviving teen James Vance and his deceased friend to engage in a suicide pact.
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WARNING: THE FOLLOWING LINK TO THE DOCUMENTARY "Dream Deceivers" CONTAINS MATERIALS THAT MAY ENLIGHTEN THOSE WHO MAKE UNSUBSTANTIATED AND FALSE ALLEGATIONS BEFORE THE COURT AND SOCIETY THAT HEAVY METAL FANS ARE SATANISTS, SUICIDAL AND DANGEROUS TO CHILDREN:

For an example of #6 - start at 10:35 of this video ->

Dream Deceivers - The Story Behind James Vance Vs Judas Priest (USA Documentary 1992) - YouTube

Parents have always tried to blame music and media for the violent act that their children commit.

40:20 to 43:30 - "I am asked for a peppermint"

Dream Deceivers - The Story Behind James Vance Vs Judas Priest (USA Documentary 1992) - YouTube

Collectively as a society we need to stop blaming media, music, computer games, the internet and other external sources for the challenges children have. Children also have two parents and it is time as a society that we investigate the parents and not the media and artists to project blame at them for what children do.

The story of James Vance vs Judas Priest will only come to repeat itself as society and parents look to project blame at something that really is an attempt to "save" themselves from the true reality of the situation.

That their children, needed help from a licensed and trained medical practitioner and not "God", standing "nose to nose", an over bearing parent, not ridicule from their parent, and certainly not censorship but UNDERSTANDING of what is going on in their children's lives.

Compassion, understanding, love and parents who are mentally healthy (fit) is what children need.

There are too many untreated "over anxious" / "over bearing" / "personality disordered" parents in society today. The transference of parental anxiety is generational and until such time these parents get help for themselves their children will only suffer from their parents issues and they will manifest and expose themselves in their children's lives as a result.

This is the problem and not guns, media, music, social media, the internet...

As I always state Family Law needs deep and better integration with our Health Care System. Collectively it is my opinion that there are more parents with untreated mental disorders than there are children with "problems". Yet, we as a society only see the "problems" of the children and not the true issues that the parents have and project blame at the wrong things which we should be collectively focusing on and improving...

Good Luck!
Tayken
 
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Although it was hard to read because of the brutal, blunt and explicit descriptions, I did not take offence to Mess' post either, hence my reply to his post. I recognized his irony and truth and thought it was well-written.
 
slughead10 said:
i too thought it was excellent creative writing.....
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Yes it was a bit Shakespearean in nature. Although he was not always socially appropriate either in his time. If memory serves me correctly, he had a temper and would get angered at the slightest criticism of his work.
 
OhMy said:
Yes it was a bit Shakespearean in nature. Although he was not always socially appropriate either in his time. If memory serves me correctly, he had a temper and would get angered at the slightest criticism of his work.
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Lucky for everyone Mess is not Shakespeare then?
 
hadenough said:
*WO* from what I've read, by all accounts it is believed that the mother's weapons were locked up properly. There is talk...
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That was my understanding as well. I'm sure Mom could have had them locked up properly. Still, the son was able to get at them. Not 1 gun, but multiple. In my post, I was trying to say, that perhaps one should not keep guns in the household at all, if one's family member(s) have known mental issues and/or personality disorders.

In either case, the existence or not, of a gun registry, had no bearing on what happened in the recent Newtown case, or most gun violence that we see/hear on TV news.
 
Quote by Tayken "Lucky for everyone Mess is not Shakespeare then?"

Definitely not Shakespeare. Hey does anyone know the song "pumped up kicks" by Foster the People? A very catchy tune but when you listen to (or read) the lyrics, it too is about youth Gun Violence. "Better run, better run, outrun my bullet."
 
I was in the area of a high-school shooting at Brampton Centennial Secondary School on Wednesday, May 28, 1975. I saw and heard what long guns can do to human flesh, so I am now and always in favour of more gun control.
I realize some people (those who deal with livestock and live in rural/wilderness areas, police) will need guns for protection, but the average citizen doesn't need a gun.
If the 16 year old didn't have access to two hunting rifles, he wouldn't have been able to kill another student, a teacher, wound 13 others before killing himself. Scary thing, he was planning something worse.
 
Epona said:
I was in the area of a high-school shooting at Brampton Centennial Secondary School on Wednesday, May 28, 1975. I saw and heard what long guns can do to human flesh, so I am now and always in favour of more gun control.
I realize some people (those who deal with livestock and live in rural/wilderness areas, police) will need guns for protection, but the average citizen doesn't need a gun.
If the 16 year old didn't have access to two hunting rifles, he wouldn't have been able to kill another student, a teacher, wound 13 others before killing himself. Scary thing, he was planning something worse.
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You know, I have been exposed (on a limited basis) to gun violence in real life too.

A kid that attended the same high school as me had an underage house party when his mom and dad were away on vacation. His dad was a police officer, and kid got a hold of his hand gun during the party.

The poor kid accidentally shot and killed his best friend.

They were a year or two younger than me - so I wasn't personally affected.

I did see the same kid in the halls at university some 4 years later - so I guess he managed to move on in life.

That incident never relly occurs to me when I engage in this discussion. Maybe it should.
 
"His dad was a police officer, and kid got a hold of his hand gun during the party.

The poor kid accidentally shot and killed his best friend." So many accidental deaths. One of my hobbies is genealogy and I'm amazed how many young men (teens) accidentally shot and killed a brother or cousin while learning to shoot.

When my ex and I first bought our house, we'd rent out two bedrooms. One boarder was an OPP officer in training and he'd bring his gun home. My ex would go into his room when he was out, and one time encouraged me to look at the boarders gun. I told my ex, "You shouldn't be looking at his stuff. It's private."

It was the Brampton high-school shooting that started stricter gun control laws in Ontario and Canada. Then Premier Bill Davis lived in Brampton and one or two of his daughters were at BCSS that day.
 
I once (in a teen-age momment of angst) wished a class-mate of mine dead once.

Six months later he was killed in a drinking and driving accident.

I wonder...
Correlation, causation, or co-incidence?

Hey! Maybe thats why you have to register your car!?!

In case you kill someone with it?

Me thinks I'm on to something here...
 
Not sure what the connection is between wishing a class-mate dead and registering a car? Are you suggesting we register our thoughts in case our thoughts are responsible? hmmm....
 
My uncle (a retired Peel cop) said that if anyone ever wanted their worst enemy dead, they should not shoot them, but run them over with a car.

I think his point was that vehicular manslaughter almost always carries a more lenient sentence than murder.
 
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