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    Can anyone give me some advice about this! What do they do? Who do they interview? How long does the report take?


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    Originally posted by Mom 2 Two View Post
    Can anyone give me some advice about this! What do they do? Who do they interview? How long does the report take?


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    Never involve the OCL unless there is a diagnosed clinical issue with one or both of the parents. OCL is slow, biased, underqualified and will only add 10's of thousands of dollars to your matter (or more!)

    See: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/do...1onsc6451.html

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    • #3
      Wholeheartedly agree with Tayken! Same thing applies to custody and access assessors who are usually social workers or psychologists. We have had 4 such assessments because my ex was deemed catastrophically brain damaged. If only I had known the absolute bs and waste of money this was I would never ever have co-operated or paid 1/2!!!! Instead I would have said very clearly that I’m not the one with the diagnosed brain injury so you people can assess HIM to your hearts content. CAS , police, family and specialist doctors do not have a problem with me so you don’t get to assess me or get MY money. He’s the one wanting unsupervised access so let HIM get the assessment and pay 100% of it!

      These people are even more a waste of money than any other player in the family court game!

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      • #4
        Great. The other side demanded we have Them. My lawyer agreed and an order was made. My lawyer said it’s good and they will be able to see through the issues. iE kids are terrified to open their mouth around dad and gf in fear of being punished.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tayken View Post
          Never involve the OCL unless there is a diagnosed clinical issue with one or both of the parents. OCL is slow, biased, underqualified and will only add 10's of thousands of dollars to your matter (or more!)



          See: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/do...1onsc6451.html


          Will they listen to step mom? My ex doesn’t speak... He doesn’t formulate his own opinions. She runs the house and makes the rules. He follows.

          My lawyer said OCL is free?


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          • #6
            Is OLC biased against Dad’s? If they are covered by tax dollars I am guessing that it’s the money spent fighting a report that would be costly.


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            • #7
              In my daughters situation with her ex the judge ordered OCL right away. OCL accepted the case and met alone with both parents, had multiple meetings with each parent and my GD and also met and observed myself and my late husband (grandparents) with GD. It was a bit nerve wracking to try and act naturally while she was watching and writing notes. She seemed to look for positive age appropriate interactions and for appropriate redirection if needed. There was a similar observation done with the exes parents and also an exchange was observed.

              When the disclosure meeting happened she read the main points of the report along with her recommendation. The two parents and the lawyers were present, no one else. She appreciated in her report that my daughter acknowledged her role in the relationship breakdown and while she addressed her concerns with the other parent also put her daughters well being at the forefront and made solid suggestions as to how she would promote the relationship with the other parent.

              In contrast, her ex just bashed her as a person and parent and refused to acknowledge he had any part in the situation.

              OCL also checked for any police or CAS involvement and contacted the doctor. GD was not school aged or I imagine they would have contacted the school as well.

              The report was quite favourable to my daughter and I do not believe it was gender biased as the original motion judge based on lies and a false very short status quo gave temporary primary physical to the father.

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              • #8
                In my case each of the four reports recommended I have sole custody. Duhhh...didn’t Need to spend $25000 to determine a violent, catastrophically brain damaged parent who himself needs 24/7 care for his own safety or a normal parent...gee... which one should have sole custody?

                All 4 of the reports are useless now anyway because so much time has elapsed and so much has happened in the mean time. So yes, here I am having been ruled in my favour over and over again in these reports yet crying to the High heavens what an absolute total waste of money, time and resources. I will not co-operate with another one ever again in my life.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PeacefulMoments View Post
                  In my daughters situation with her ex the judge ordered OCL right away. OCL accepted the case and met alone with both parents, had multiple meetings with each parent and my GD and also met and observed myself and my late husband (grandparents) with GD. It was a bit nerve wracking to try and act naturally while she was watching and writing notes. She seemed to look for positive age appropriate interactions and for appropriate redirection if needed. There was a similar observation done with the exes parents and also an exchange was observed.

                  When the disclosure meeting happened she read the main points of the report along with her recommendation. The two parents and the lawyers were present, no one else. She appreciated in her report that my daughter acknowledged her role in the relationship breakdown and while she addressed her concerns with the other parent also put her daughters well being at the forefront and made solid suggestions as to how she would promote the relationship with the other parent.

                  In contrast, her ex just bashed her as a person and parent and refused to acknowledge he had any part in the situation.

                  OCL also checked for any police or CAS involvement and contacted the doctor. GD was not school aged or I imagine they would have contacted the school as well.

                  The report was quite favourable to my daughter and I do not believe it was gender biased as the original motion judge based on lies and a false very short status quo gave temporary primary physical to the father.


                  Thanks for this information. I need help to know what to include in the application. Neither parents have any sort of diagnosis Neither do the children. No CAS involvement ever. No criminal records.



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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Stillbreathing View Post
                    In my case each of the four reports recommended I have sole custody. Duhhh...didn’t Need to spend $25000 to determine a violent, catastrophically brain damaged parent who himself needs 24/7 care for his own safety or a normal parent...gee... which one should have sole custody?



                    All 4 of the reports are useless now anyway because so much time has elapsed and so much has happened in the mean time. So yes, here I am having been ruled in my favour over and over again in these reports yet crying to the High heavens what an absolute total waste of money, time and resources. I will not co-operate with another one ever again in my life.


                    Can you tell me what information or reports I should include in the application? I have reports from therapist about things the children struggled with? Should those be included ?


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mom 2 Two View Post
                      Can you tell me what information or reports I should include in the application? I have reports from therapist about things the children struggled with? Should those be included ?


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                      I included a letter from my therapist. She sent it to my lawyer who included it with my application. I believe it helped with getting the OCL involved. In my case- I wanted the OCL involved because I would like some type of parental assessment.

                      My husband's lawyer agreed because I think she thinks that I'm blowing the conflict out of proportion. Time will tell.

                      It's worth also noting- that the Judge we went before during our settlement conference said that she didn't think the OCL would become involved because our daughter is really young (barely verbal toddler). But then again- I get the feeling she did not read our case conference briefs.

                      I'm curious as to why your husband's lawyer wanted their involvement?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by youngdad91 View Post
                        I had a terrible experience with the OCL. SHe was late to appointments and my meetings were 1 hour when supposed to be 2 hours. She was biased throughout and ended up recommending sole custody to mom. I filed a dispute, ended up getting half the summer although she only recommended a ridiculous one week each month, got christmas although she ordered I not have Christmas, and have got the mom to agree to joint custody and 50/50 access despite OCL recommending sole and alternate weekend + 1 mid week.

                        OCL didn't even receive OCL file until after the disclosure meeting in our case. None of the police or OCL report were put before us for discussion and the most recent CAS involvement was not mentioned in her report.

                        OCL = biased, sexist, useless monkies.

                        That being said, there was some good in the report as it proved the mother has been disparaging me to the child, and has identified many symptoms of alienation.

                        Oh, I also got easter from the court though the OCL recommended I only have 6 hours on Easter...


                        Getting the OCL to do an assessment (or an investigation as the OCL biased lady in my case calls it) is like buying an Insignia TV from BestBuy and expecting the picture quality of a Samsung or LG.

                        I see this statement made A LOT here...that the OCL is biased. But why? what is the evidence of this bias? What happened in your case to suspect they were biased?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by iona6656 View Post
                          I included a letter from my therapist. She sent it to my lawyer who included it with my application. I believe it helped with getting the OCL involved. In my case- I wanted the OCL involved because I would like some type of parental assessment.



                          My husband's lawyer agreed because I think she thinks that I'm blowing the conflict out of proportion. Time will tell.



                          It's worth also noting- that the Judge we went before during our settlement conference said that she didn't think the OCL would become involved because our daughter is really young (barely verbal toddler). But then again- I get the feeling she did not read our case conference briefs.



                          I'm curious as to why your husband's lawyer wanted their involvement?


                          My ex husband claimed he is afraid he will never see his kids again. He sees them EOW without fail. Judge fell for it. There is no abuse. No CAS ever. He claims I alienate them. Yet they go on their scheduled access. He recently moved in with his partner and she had taken over. Kids are having hard time. Been some battles and crying. I can only imagine the lies they put on their OCL intake. I included therapist report and letters with mine that say he doesn’t follow through or “show up” for his kids.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mom 2 Two View Post
                            My ex husband claimed he is afraid he will never see his kids again. He sees them EOW without fail. Judge fell for it. There is no abuse. No CAS ever. He claims I alienate them. Yet they go on their scheduled access. He recently moved in with his partner and she had taken over. Kids are having hard time. Been some battles and crying. I can only imagine the lies they put on their OCL intake. I included therapist report and letters with mine that say he doesn’t follow through or “show up” for his kids.


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                            Do you mind me asking what the arrangements for shared parenting time is now?

                            How did you guys get to that arrangement? lawyers on both sides?

                            My husband has a good lawyer- SUPER aggressive, but smart. She keeps pushing for increased time and unsupervised acess. and I keep denying until he gets help and does some type of assessment that, at least, says he's not a *current* threat to her.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by iona6656 View Post
                              My husband has a good lawyer- SUPER aggressive, but smart. She keeps pushing for increased time and unsupervised acess. and I keep denying until he gets help and does some type of assessment that, at least, says he's not a *current* threat to her.

                              Is CAS still involved? If they have no concerns imo the courts won’t either.


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