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Old 10-11-2013, 03:33 PM
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I'm sorry, the role of the government should not be to protect you from absolutely everything that could possibly go wrong.
True but marriage is one thing that is dictated to you after the fact.

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If you want to get married, then do some research. Itís a contract like buying a house or a car. It has obligations and responsibilities, and they are not that difficult to research especially now.
And both if not all have someone explain your options, responsibilities, and make sure you qualify. Canít drive a car without insurance and the bank requests this on a mortgage for a homeÖ. Should need marriage insurance? I donít need to research this.

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If it was unconstitutional to have spousal support some rich person would have already taken it to the Supreme court. People go for far more trivial things. Please demonstrate where in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms it says you can't pay spousal support. (or sign up for payday loans at outrageous rates, or any number of other bad things).
Iíd like to see where this is a requirement either way and the government enforces payment on the individual? Any of these bad things do not consist of a lifetime of suffering by many of the members on here.

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Just because it is wrong or unfair, doesn't mean itís illegal or unconstitutional.
The entire family law system is a complete joke and needs a complete overhaul. For one when a lawyer can accept both male and female its completely wrong.
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Old 10-11-2013, 04:18 PM
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True but marriage is one thing that is dictated to you after the fact.
How is marriage dictated to you after the fact? You can find out before you pop the question. Don't blame the government because you didn't. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

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And both if not all have someone explain your options, responsibilities, and make sure you qualify. Can’t drive a car without insurance and the bank requests this on a mortgage for a home…. Should need marriage insurance? I don’t need to research this.
You can buy a car without insurance, you just can't have the dealer plate it for you without proof of insurance. But no one goes through everything line by line, they expect you to read the contract for yourself.


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I’d like to see where this is a requirement either way and the government enforces payment on the individual? Any of these bad things do not consist of a lifetime of suffering by many of the members on here.
You chose to get married. The government did not force you to marry. You are responsible for understanding the terms of the marriage contract.


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The entire family law system is a complete joke and needs a complete overhaul. For one when a lawyer can accept both male and female its completely wrong.
Not sure what you mean by that? Are you suggesting that a lawyer can represent both parties to a divorce? Or that we segregate lawyers into those who support men and those whose clients are women, because that doesn't work either.
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Old 10-30-2013, 02:21 PM
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How is marriage dictated to you after the fact? You can find out before you pop the question. Don't blame the government because you didn't. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Can I go get a gun license, driverís license, meal, electrical appliance, Job, or ANY other item/service where the government has not stuck their nose in to educate me or protect my interests? Most laws and government run programs have some degree of educating the public in one way shape or form. Ignorance is no excuse till you understand the law. If the government made it mandatory to set guidelines and educate the public on marriage this would decline at least 50% or more no? This is a cash cow for the government period.

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You can buy a car without insurance, you just can't have the dealer plate it for you without proof of insurance. But no one goes through everything line by line, they expect you to read the contract for yourself.
Well the government states you need a used car package to protect yourself to any liability on the vehicle prior to the sale/purchase. They still educate you here also. This has to be done with cash also or no go period.

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You chose to get married. The government did not force you to marry. You are responsible for understanding the terms of the marriage contract.
Yes we all did, however where is the marriage contract? I didnít get one with my certificate? Then I should be educated on this no? Do you go to a restaurant and eat and look for the license, clean bill of health, tour the kitchen area, or ensure what you eat is fresh? Most likely not and you like the rest of us make sure the government for the most parts does their job to check on a regular basis. If I get very sick or worse isnít it my right to sue the government and the restaurant for not protecting me? Or is there a law for that that I should have read prior? Not if there was a big sign that said ďeat at your own riskĒ and contract with this.


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Not sure what you mean by that? Are you suggesting that a lawyer can represent both parties to a divorce? Or that we segregate lawyers into those who support men and those whose clients are women, because that doesn't work either.
I think they should mandate a lawyer to one sex because who is going to get good at their job if they donít care one way or another? Itís like going to finals in the Stanley cup and then picking players for each side? This donít make sense and why would a lawyer care if they are representing both sides?
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Hi, if we withheld fro payment collectively for one month, etc that would get their attention for sit down to correct flaws.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:27 AM
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You responded to a thread from 6 years ago.

And your idea is moronic. It is like those stupid gas boycotts. You get change by being politically active, not some convoluted scheme to take down FRO that would be completely ineffective.
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You responded to a thread from 6 years ago.

And your idea is moronic. It is like those stupid gas boycotts. You get change by being politically active, not some convoluted scheme to take down FRO that would be completely ineffective.

But I thought after we took down FRO we were gonna raid Area 51.....
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FRO sends automatic enforcement notice after 60 days of no payment. If all support payer stopped paying at once for 60 day, that sure as hell would be a lot of notices and tick off a lot lot people working for FRO as well as support recipients but sure as hell won't change guidelines amounts. we're not teachers under a union that can just abandon children and refuse to teach until things are fair.

what we need to do is what I did. withdraw from FRO and never agree to use FRO. this way, when your income and circumstances change, you adjust accordingly without having to overpay, ask your ex/file for motions to pay the correct amount.

If you are in shared custody, child support will be based on a setoff(generally lower or zero or her paying you) amount. you will also be entitled to child tax benefits and other benefits. For example, OSAP considers parents with 50.50 as sole dependents... and they will pay you extra money while you study.

child support isn't necessarily a bad thing if you are a 50.50 parent... if you're not... yeah... it's pretty much cash for life OLG ticket for your ex.

as a dad who was full support player and now ordered by the courts to NOT pay any child support, I can confirm the amounts for child support are pulled out of people's whazoos. I have never in any month that I've had my kid 50.50, came even close to spending half of what I used to pay in support to raise my kid. and that includes eating out twice week and hitting up the theatres once or twice a month.. though expenses of this nature aren't even intended to be a childs basic needs.

Yes, there's an argument it's for rent for mom to accommodate extra bedroom.. but doesn't dad also need to accommodate extra bedroom for when the kids is with him?

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Old 08-03-2019, 08:53 PM
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what we need to do is what I did. withdraw from FRO and never agree to use FRO.
For obvious reasons, you only need one party to consent to the use of FRO. Otherwise, almost no payors would ever consent to use it.
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Old 08-03-2019, 09:23 PM
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For obvious reasons, you only need one party to consent to the use of FRO. Otherwise, almost no payors would ever consent to use it.
Nor they should. What they should do is voluntarily pay the correct amount and offer it on a final basis. if ex wants to move forward to a hearing on the sole issue of whether or not it should be enforced through FRO.. let them be your guest.

Served my order terminating my child support and withdrawing from FRO to case contact with such joy and relief. You have no idea. e-transfers are my new FRO once I am working again (IF I end up earning more than her) EX won't find a lawyer to file a motion for it just to be enforced through FRO. Heck she couldn't even find a lawyer to help her try and prove me intentionally unemployed after her 2nd lawyer canned her. Maybe after she pays off what she still owes her first lawyer... but that's not my problem really..

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Old 08-04-2019, 08:59 AM
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You donít have to file a motion to have CS enforced by FRO. If you have an Order or an Agreement filed with the court all one party has to do is file the paperwork with FRO and pay the $50 re-instatement fee to get enforcement. Even if a motion is needed to change CS amounts it is pretty simple and doesnít require a lawyer.
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