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Old 06-14-2019, 03:25 PM
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Quick question for everyone:

My daughter has chosen an expensive musical instrument as part of her music program at school next year. The cost will be approximately $800-1000 in rental fees over the two years she requires it or about $650 upfront if we just buy one. It is a mandatory part of the curriculum. I believe this cost should be shared proportionate to income. Ex feels its just something I should absorb as his share is covered under regular child support.
Anyone have any experience with this?



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Old 06-14-2019, 05:44 PM
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I would consider it a section 7 but only IF its necessary for her educational path. I took instrument music in school and it was provided by the school. Obviously things have changed in 30 years.

I see this as a kid choosing to go away to school when a comparable program is available at home. If she wants to play a more expensive instrument at school then the cost is on you.

There are arguments on both sides but to me if she doesnt plan on becoming a concert (instrument) performer in the future she should choose a less expensive one or you pay for it.
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Old 06-14-2019, 06:15 PM
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Its grade 7 music but its required for the next 2 years.
Dad will argue that the school will provide. She will not want that because the school instruments must be shared (gross) and cannot be taken home, therefore shed never be able to practice.
I have a feeling Ill just be on the hook given that the school would technically provide it (even though most kids rent or buy at her school).
I dont have a problem covering it, I just think its crappy that he can say its covered under regular support when its not an everyday item.


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Old 06-14-2019, 06:31 PM
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I recall that my parents were on a European trip when I started grade 7 (yep left with a nanny). I selected the music option and decided to take up the flute. My parents were away so I simply used the school flute. Most kids can't make a proper sound out of wind instruments for a while so it wasn't a big deal. Well I ended up doing ok with it and there was a school concert in December. My parents attended. (The flute I had assigned was crap. I really didn't care because I was more interested in make-up and boys that year.) My parents were pretty horrified when they attended the concert and watched me play and when I had to lean down and pick up the end of the flute every 5 or 6 minutes! Of course parents immediately purchased a flute for me and, of course, put me in private lessons with "the best." I ended up excelling at the flute. To this day I still have that flute. I used the school flute and I was quite ok. We were able to sign one out for the term though.

Perhaps speak to the school about this? I can't imagine children having to share wind instruments. Are you sure about this? All wind instruments can be thoroughly cleaned but I wouldn't want to do it every day/week. Reeds and such (clarinets) and corks on flutes have to be cared for properly.

You can check out purchasing a used instrument. Many people foolishly purchase expensive instruments for children who end up using them only a few times. Check with local places that provide lessons and see what is for sale. Check out garage sales this summer. I've seen many musical instruments for sale. You can buy a used one and have it professionally cleaned and it may look just like new!

Don't make your child's new-found interest in music sour through bickering with your ex.

Check with the school and get the facts yourself.

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Old 06-14-2019, 07:33 PM
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I played flute clarinet and oboe all provided by the school. We shared the instruments which were cleaned after each use. We also signed them out to take them home and sometimes werent available. I am surprised the school doesnt do this.

Fighting with your ex over it is useless. Im sure she will be fine using the school instrument or find a used one at a local music shop.
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:12 AM
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That seems like a high rental cost in relation to purchase price. I rent 1 instrument because know kid will only use for elementary school (and yes we treat it as section seven). Its about 180/year I think. The other is a used rent to own of a much more expensive instrument. I pay 80$/months and I dont treat it as section 7 because I own it and didnt want to deal with splitting it later that one I knew kid would use to grade 12 and I figured out the rent to own cost would have been equal to rental cost at 5 years so worth it to buy. It seems strange that the rental cost is going to be higher that buying by 1.5 years. I rent from a well known national company
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Old 06-15-2019, 07:09 PM
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I find it strange the school doesnt allow the instruments to be rented out... there are 6 schools in my area and they all have music programs and all schools allow students to take the instruments home. I certainly wouldnt be purchasing one unless my child was excelling at music... its usually a 2-3 year thing and thats it... most kids unless they are musically talented dont continue on with music after they have completed the mandatory credits. I do think youll have a hard time arguing S7 when the school provides said instruments


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It must depend on the school district. In my district everyone rents or buys instruments from instrumental rental companies. Schools dont rent or provide instrument except for the really big ones that are too big to take back and forth, like drums and double bass. The school has their own big instrumemtsbut students are expected to have their own at home to practice. Band is optional.
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It must depend on the school district. In my district everyone rents or buys instruments from instrumental rental companies. Schools dont rent or provide instrument except for the really big ones that are too big to take back and forth, like drums and double bass. The school has their own big instrumemtsbut students are expected to have their own at home to practice. Band is optional.


So my kids school is similar to this. Everyone rents or buys. The school has a few theyll provide but then youd be sharing with others and cannot take it home. I dont find that very ideal. Band is optional too but my daughter will likely want to join as she enjoys music. I feel like it should be considered Section 7 because its expensive and not an everyday item the regular support would cover. That being said, Ill end up footing the bill on this Im sure.


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Old 06-18-2019, 08:32 AM
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Either..

A) It is S7

In which case ex needs to provide consent, and it would be reasonable for him to refuse consent if there is a free option available.

B) It is not S7

In which case ex does not need to pay for it.
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