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  • #16
    Originally posted by violet View Post
    I'm so sorry the general public is not informed about CAS. CAS is a private corporation, not a government entity. They receive our taxpaying dollars only once they have opened a file on a family or have exectued an apprehension. CAS got $32,000 to apprehend my 4 kids. They continued their legal fight against this family for 3 years now, go figure the monetary amount for their lawyers that was paid for the ministry with "gov't grants". The dishonesty of the 53 private CAS corporations in Ontario costs taxpayers billions and destroys good families. CAS took out insurance policies on the members of this family because they refused services to treat us properly so now we are incurrable, and our livers are irrepairable. When 1 of us dies, CAS gets $1,000,000. How's that for funding a private corporation? This the new way to fund CAS, pick on sick ppl and insure them. Gov't makes no money on this, gov't just spends spends spends....and claims it's the child's best interests. CAS abuses their power and engages in criminal behaviours. Avoid them at all costs. There is no transperency in Ontario for CAS and courts use avoidance in order to not pay damages. My worker confirmed this.
    Funny, in your other thread you said your children MAY have lyme disease and MAY be incurable if so. Now you're saying they DO have it and have irreperable liver damage. As noted in response to your other post, your story is highly unbelievable, especially with all the inconsistencies.

    In fact, the only constant in your posts is that they ARE all inconsistent.

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    • #17
      Blink
      I've noticed quite a few inconsistencies as well.
      The only constant is a major hate on for CAS.

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      • #18
        To clarify:
        2 weeks ago i sent lab tests to California, the only place in North America that sells lab tests for PROOF concerning legals. Tests cost $4,000, all positive. Dr's strongly discouraged asking CAS for help, now i know why. CAS claimed i was mentally ill and abusing my kids for being away from school, constantly sick and seeming to be lazy in body and mind. Clearly it was no ones fault we were ill, clearly CAS apprehended the kids for the wrong reasons and unknowingly documented ailments supporting my claim, not theirs. The judge agrees lawyers knowingly deceived him. We will now be settling for damages and getting our long sought treatment. I did most of this without a lawyer & with a small circle of support. Now i see why CFSA names the ombudsman when he can not investigate. We now can go on with our lives knowing we were persecuted for something beyond our control. Courts are not gender specific, they are class specific and medical specific! All comes down to the almighty dollar...this message from a hard working labourer, a devoted parent, an honest citizen, and a duty filled taxpayer. No need to judge me, his honour already did that thanks.

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        • #19
          violet- what kind of mental illness do they say that you have?
          and I am really confused about this whole life insurance thing and CAS. I've never heard anything like it. Are you sure that they (CAS) would be the ones to collect the money or would it go into trust for you children?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by violet View Post
            YES I AGREE. I do understand but CAS is a private corporation that somehow gets automatic credibility and somehow they have found a loop hole in this.
            The CAS is a non-profit corporation, not a private corporation. As a non-profit their activities are regulated in terms of finances, and their activities as a child protection agency are also heavily regulated.

            You are using the word "corporation" as though it is automatically evil. Corporations also include governments, churches, non-profit housing, the Red Cross, Boy Scouts, just to name a few.

            Existing as a corporate entity is exactly what enables them to be sued and held liable for any malfeasance. This means the goverment is in a postion to sue or hold them responsible for any criminal breach.

            The other option for it's existence would be as goverment agency. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you think CSIS or Revenue Canada exist to look after the rights of the average citizen you are sadly mistaken. Read up on how well the Public Guardian and Trustee looks after the money of our most vulnerable.

            I am not saying the CAS is particulary well run or even effective in its job. Sometimes it works, often it doesn't. But being a "corporation" isn't the issue here.

            You ran into problems with the CAS because they didn't have proper factual information about your illness, and they likely ran into a brick wall with your attitude and mistakenly thought the worst. They don't make a profit out persecuting you.

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            • #21
              Actually it is very complicated. In my case, CAS did have proper facts, they tried to hide it (knowingly deceiving the judge) because they chose to support the false allegations, only with the mistake thinking i would give up and go away. Their luck died when i brought forward their contradictions with proof. Their claims lacked validation and they avoided at all costs to admit they were mistaken and put things right. My worker conceded collusion, false allegations and emotional abuse....and i got some of it recorded.

              CAS if ineffective and dysfunctional. This denial in accountability involves Ontario College of Social Workers, Law Society of Upper Canada, Ontario Judicial Commission, Police, Teachers, Assessors and more. Most people know, no one can police CAS. All government involvement is funding only. There is absolutely no accountability, no transperency and all privacy. I could elaborate but maybe another time.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by janedoe99 View Post
                violet- what kind of mental illness do they say that you have?
                and I am really confused about this whole life insurance thing and CAS. I've never heard anything like it. Are you sure that they (CAS) would be the ones to collect the money or would it go into trust for you children?
                Actually, ex-partner claimed mental illness without specification or proof of claim. CAS continued this agenda again without validation. Since there is no transperency available for CAS in Ontario only and judges give automatic credibility without proof required, this caused me and my children much undeserved grief. When lab tests validated my claim of lyme disease, it was only when the proof was lacking to show end-stage lyme disease of the kids revealed life insurance.
                When i read the other family's documentation regarding life insurance, CAS arranged, paid for and manipulated the insurance so that when this family's child died, CAS received the payout and the family was sucessful suing CAS for medical neglect that caused the death of their child. There was no trust set up. I am positive end stage lyme, liver damage may mean death will not wait. CAS refuses to allow further lab tests of the children to establish end stage disease but their own sympton recording dictates liver damage for all children. CAS stays divorce proceedings while they neglect the bests interests of the children, while in the background make money when we die. CAS is the beneficiary. Ministry denies this, even when documentaion exists.

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                • #23
                  I think Nick was looking for ways he can prepare for his upcoming Settlement Conference.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Pursuinghappiness View Post
                    They're doing this to your children because you have a physical illness and have life insurance policy out on you?

                    I've never had any dealings with CAS but do they normally pull life insurance policies out on people who make abuse claims? It seems an odd way for the Federal government to make income.
                    Actually it is complicated and definately hidden from public scrutiny. I got the audio recording from my daughter. The foster parent said "CAS foster parent school says if foster parents help foster children be heard, CAS will take the child from their bed in the middle of the night and move them across Canada to avoid their truths from being known". Statement as recorded. They are alienating me from my children because CAS lied since day one of divorce proceedings. We made that known and everyone has tried their best to avoid exposure. CAS is not doctors or specialists, they had no place in our medical situation. Judge says CAS is a support pillar in the community, we proved this wrong. They have stopped us from getting telling lab tests and appropriate treatment to avoid "incurrable". When deemed incurrable, death does not always wait. CAS's are all independently run without policing or any government transperency. Andre Morin is not allowed to investigate, no one is. Much abuse by CAS is hidden by lack of investigative power and court "gag" orders. Most judges don't even know the truths, our judge was shocked by the proof i laid out. Whether the federal government knows or not, they refuse investigation. Dalton McGuinty says nothing is wrong with CPS (quoted by CHCH Hamilton). Life insurance is not normal, hence dysfunction. Frank Klees said this government will embarass themselves when CAS illegal practices are revealed since this ontario gov't allowed it to happen after ammending laws to stop this practise (1992).

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                    • #25
                      Violet - Is there anything you have to say that can help Nick with his Settlement Conference preparations?

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                      • #26
                        Is he self-represented? When one attends a settlement conf, the responsibility is to draft up a proposal for settling the issues between the parties involved. When doing this it is important to paragraph each issue seperately and be clear about each issue. For example: if one was dealing with shared custody, the proposal would include the days and times during the month when and where children are housed, how one might share costs of education, clothing, sports, etc (say equal share of financial burden or maybe one parent would pay for a sport if the child was at only the mom's house days of that sport). Depends how detailed one wants their proposal but it is easier to do your best to map out any future concerns or obligations the first time in case your proposal is accepted. Be sure to not go overboard with demands since when the opposite party is not so accepting, it pushes the matter closer to trial. Be fair about who is responsible for what and the ratio of incomes for expenses. Put any children's best interests first & strive for a balance between physicals, emotionals and financials. It is hard for me to be specific without details. This is in general so if i can clear up anything more please ask. Family is #1! My friends use me often in times of conflict because i am really really good at coming up with compromising suggestions.

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                        • #27
                          this thread ended in July 2010 ... violet has now taken it over for her campaign, so I doubt the original poster is even checking any more.

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