SC's, Motions and Trial's.. Oh My!

[arabian]

I work for a medical specialist who is paid by Alberta Health. We only accept referrals from physicians. In Alberta you have to be referred by a family physician or other licensed practitioner to get an appointment with a psychiatrist. As far as I know only medical specialists require referrals - at least in this province.

[rockscan]

Go to the doctor, tell them you want a referral for D3, explain your financial situation and how you would prefer someone covered by OHIP. Youre going to be on a wait list.

There are any number of "therapists" that dont have a wait list and there are reasons for that. Doing it this isnt saying no, its saying "i trust my doctor to do whats best". Ex cant argue with that. She asked for your support in getting some help. You are doing that. She cant come back and day "i want your support in doing what i want in this situation". Its unreasonable.

[good_mom]

LF32....stop over thinking this. She is just blowing smoke for court.

1- yes you bring D3 to doc and yes doc may give you a referal for next step.

2- if so Let OP do the work, let her find the therapist and you know that it will take her awhile for that since its work. Dont help her with it or say I'm still looking and will get back to you.

3- it can take months for an appointement anyways

4- court may be all over by then and OP might give up on even following through on it.

5- So what it cost? Soon D3 can be covered under your GF as well. Just don't let OP know that right now.

[LovingFather32]

I work for a medical specialist who is paid by Alberta Health. We only accept referrals from physicians. In Alberta you have to be referred by a family physician or other licensed practitioner to get an appointment with a psychiatrist. As far as I know only medical specialists require referrals - at least in this province.

Family physicians refer here as well.

Psychologists = expensive but immediate
Psychiatrists = covered by OHIP but long waiting lists (6-7 months)

So psychiatrist's the way to go I suppose.

[rockscan]

I saw a psychologist on ohip with a wait of about three months. That was in a relatively big city in central ontario.

[arabian]

Often specialists reject referrals or redirect patient to someone else. First step would be you and your ex meeting with family physician and discussing problems you or your ex perceive are health issues for D3. Physician would then follow Standard of Care and perform complete physical assessment (as well as routine serology testing etc.). You'd then likely meet up again with physician (3 weeks later? or when lab results come back) and options would be discussed (possibility of referral considered). Then your physician writes the letter and your daughter is put on a waiting list. As this is likely not considered to be urgent, the wait for the appointment could be considerable.

I would think that going through the family physician would be the best solution.

[MrToronto]

If you reverse engineer what Arabian and others have written on this annoying kid shrink process with the long delay you'll come to the conclusion. WHY is it so easy for Goldilocks?

Make no mistake Goldilocks's kid witness counseller kniows EVERYTHING

How could that be? Did D3 drive herself over to see the shrink? No, Goldilocks had some meetings, and shared her victim file. (from the adult counseller at club victim)

Goldilocks/witness counseller (pretends) to only need an approval from LF32 to start playing with the hand puppets (the intake interview and file was read which means maybe ONE kid meeting and the therapy is done).

Nobody wants to or needs to hear from LF32 or see his file. (guilty)

Obvious, the OP is still digging to make a case using the victim theme

here's the UNQUALIFIED therapist. daddy yelled alot didn't he I'm sure you heard daddy yell....daddy yelled at mommy....would you remember daddy yelling because he did....mommy said you cried when daddy yelled. it's okay crying because of daddys yelling..mommy says your getting nightmares from daddy yelling...blah blah blah (end result is basically abusing the child mentally to get something victim related)

Since the kid therapy is part (another freebie) of the victim machinary, everything about it has to be checked out..not only because they use unqualified counsellers and uninterested in hearing from parents but ..

1) is it collaborating to back up a victims story (hostile) by abusing a kid
2) is it something victims have to do to continue welfare
3) is it a game for court positioning by goldilocks
4) all of the above.

Judge doesn't know squat until you SHOW... EX won't see a licensed shrink, nor work together getting one....nor want to go as a family.

Thats the complete waste of time and money.....calling Goldilocks bluff to get stuff/proof for a Judge and/or proving she was a hostile victim being supported by victims groups

[MrToronto]

The only time your going to get razor focused is when your put on a Trial list.

The Trial List means when you get the call (from court clerk) you got maybe 2 days till Trial (maybe less)

Technically that phone call ...sets off fire works in your head....and the resultant scramble.....no sleep

Dollars to doughnuts ...you forgot the issues....or they are confused

DID you COVER EVERYTHING in the TRIAL RECORD....what was my OPENING STATEMENT again?....fuk I forgot where I was going with it...(dial tone)

WTF was my original APPLICATION about?

What happens if I GO FIRST with questioning, HOW do I start out?


Right now....let's do a self check on where Goldilocks is going with a witness counsellor..... where does that FIT IN on how you approach your Trial

is it after lunch? or the next day during a bagel? at Trial? (you got all the time in the world to ask questions and present evidence so relax) (relax is typically the second day at Trial)

How you start is a clear fact that both parties agree on.....EX left with D3 on DATE. (YES/NO).....yes

and....kissed (you off) goodbye for work

and..child was born on (yes/no)

and...I was home because of injury

and stuff like that.....Just questions ..that paint a picture..touching on involved parent from get go

and...how long together as a couple.....and no cops

STUFF LIKE THAT

NOW read about how interested Goldilocks is in a kid shrink and fit it in

after OCL questioning?
after old goat questioning?
after Active House counsellor?
after CAS?
after your mom?

Opps your turn in witness box.....(you got no more questions)...drunk drugged yeller, facebook posts, pic's, secret recordings....I OBJECT!!!!

well a JUDGE has to object if a self rep...is in the witness box...LMAO

unless you leave the witness box.....and go back to your seat in front of the Judge to stand and object (LMAO)

Family Law Trials are not fair to anybody.....The Judge ruled on the case in chambers (according to other Judges stuff)..the trial is a formality where everyone gets to be assholes (due process)

Lets understand one thing....Goldilocks will never play games if you do TRIAL on your own (she never learned anything...fear) whereas you'll go all the fukin way (and smarter for it each time)

People with money...play games because they can afford a lawyer....a self rep that knows the system ...you can't fight....because like Arnold Scrazhenagger. said...I'LL BE BACK

I 100 percent guarantee ...you go through the process ONCE....you learn so that the second time around your a SUPER COURT FREAK (sad but true)

Goldilocks will learn SQUAT the first time through...(free ride)...but no free ride later (you can go back to Court 6 months after a Trial).....

I'll be amazed if Goldilocks wins the first round (even with a wagon train of freebies).....she ain't gonna win the second round...or the 3rd or the 4th

My ex (with a lawyer) got to round 2......then gave up (I was ready for round 1 million as a self rep)

[LovingFather32]

Obvious, the OP is still digging to make a case using the victim theme

Yes. But now she's attempting to transform our amazing D3 into a victim who has issues. I asked her to describe any behaviors last log. She ignores it. Just keeps repeating that "she has difficulties".

D3 got up with us and had breakfast the other day. I wrote that D3 enjoys getting up, having a family breakfast and spending time with me before I go to work and that often times shes up first.

Got a reply .. "Funny you say that .. D3 says that you wake her up all the time. So today she fell asleep on the ay home and then had a 2 hour nap . missing the brunch I told you about".

Are you kidding me?

There's so many "D3 said's" in the book its incredible. D3 said she just got a new room. D3 said she sleeps with D8. D3 said .......".

Regarding therapy, ex's plan is simple. Do the SAME thing she did with OCL. Storm in with tapes, stories, etc. Even if by mail, e-mail, etc. That's what will happen. After I said I'd be willing to get a child psych through a referral ... no response from her. Interesting.

Regarding trial Mr. T. I'm not going to lie. Scared as hell. If self-repping it will be the world against me.

Right now I have to focus on this therapy thing. That's her next move. Bias another professional in any way possible. Worked once for her even though judge saw through it. Her next move is same as her first...only this time targeting D3 as a victim. It's sad.

[Franklin]

My ex (with a lawyer) got to round 2......then gave up (I was ready for round 1 million as a self rep)[/QUOTE]

Thanks to being self Rept my kids have a dad who can pick them up on Mondays and Fridays from school and love them way more than the system thought they deserved.
Mr T some people can, but most people cant see through the storm.
Good for you and me anyway. My exspent 30,000 I spent 1,000 and bought another house near the beach. Oh ya!

[arabian]

Is your case slated for trial yet LF32? You have served your ex with Notice of Motion now I presume? Next is trial management?

[LovingFather32]

Is your case slated for trial yet LF32? You have served your ex with Notice of Motion now I presume? Next is trial management?

Notice of motion not out yet. Im still trying to figure out what to ask for (access?), MCC's, etc. I'll be seeing my lawyer soon. Next step is trial after that.

[LovingFather32]

So D3 came here with fingernails with hoards of dirt under them. So disgusting. She puts her fingers in her mouth sometimes. Apparently me writing that I cut her nails isn't getting through to her in the comm. book.

Is there a nice way to bring this up? We even took pictures of her dirt-filled nails before cutting them again.

Also, D3 took a little spill turning a corner. Lil' bruise on her cheek. Lovely. Wonder what ex ill turn that into. She's 3 right .. geez they get bruises. If its still there Monday morning Ill explain it in comm. book.

[arabian]

I think there is very little you can do when D3 is under mother's care. What you could do is start a vigorous routine at your own place and have her scrub her nails with a nail brush every time she washes her hands. Once the routine is firmly in place at your place your daughter may very well continue practice at her mother's home. Pick some nail brushes up at a dollar store and D3 could take one with her when she goes to mom's place. My father was a veterinarian and I do recall him brining home a microscope when I was very young. He scraped our nails and put on a microscope slide and we looked at all the creepy squiggly things under the microscope. None of my siblings nor I put our hands in our mouth again and there were no thumb-sucking issues.

[stripes]

Why on earth are you taking pictures of D3's grubby fingernails? Three-year olds get dirty, and sometimes it can be pretty gross. This is really minor, it's not a sign of anything which should be of concern to you. Her house her rules, your house your rules, including fingernail cutting. If you write about this in your communication book, do you really believe Mom will think "yes, Dad is right, I must cut Kid's nails more often"?

When I was first separated, my kid used to come back from her father's with rats-nest tangles in her hair. I didn't take pictures of her head for possible future use, I just combed it out and that was the end of it.