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HonestHelp · #1 11-25-2021, 12:25 AM

I have a settlement conference next week and i'm prepared to submit the offer to settle and conference briefs. However recently there has been change of material circumstances as my employer placed me on unpaid leave for an unknown duration therefore i do not have any income source. I have been paying cs volountarily as there has not been any court order imposed yet.

I am thinking of just bringing this issue up right at the beginning of the settlement conference. I am not represented, any help would be appreciated.

rockscan · #2 11-25-2021, 08:48 AM

You will be asked about finding new work. If this is the result of a vaccine policy you may also be told to get the shot to get your job back.

HonestHelp · #3 11-25-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rockscan

You will be asked about finding new work. If this is the result of a vaccine policy you may also be told to get the shot to get your job back.

This is related to the vaccine policy. I've presented my employer with a supporting endorsed letter from a religious leader . My employer continues to infringe on my human rights.
Can the judge ask me to do something that goes against my sincerely held beliefs/creed?

rockscan · #4 11-25-2021, 11:24 AM

There have been a few cases brought to the human rights tribunal and to court on vaccine mandates and all of the major churches (including the Pope) have endorsed vaccinations. From what I understand, the human rights tribunal will be rejecting claims like this and have stated they do not consider it against these rights.

A judge will tell you to either get vaccinated or get a new job or they will impute an income to you for child support purposes.

This is a case of you choosing not to work not a loss of job due to things outside of your control.

I would also caution you may not be able to see your kids based on some of the cases where parents lost time due to refusal to get vaccinated but that�s a whole other discussion.

HonestHelp · #5 11-25-2021, 11:35 AM

This is most definitely not a case of me choosing not to work.
I have a religiously held belief that prevents me from taking the vaccine. I have an endorsed letter from a religious leader( obviously not the pope)
There is not even a mandate in my federally regulated work sector, just an "Expectation".

So what you are saying is, that my human rights has no weight?

Tayken · #6 11-25-2021, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestHelp

This is related to the vaccine policy. I've presented my employer with a supporting endorsed letter from a religious leader.

You have a huge hill to climb: https://www.ccpartners.ca/blog/detai...19-vaccination

Read that article.

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Originally Posted by HonestHelp

My employer continues to infringe on my human rights.

Can the judge ask me to do something that goes against my sincerely held beliefs/creed?

They won't order you to get vaccinated. They will just make an order, as Rockscan, said to impute your income. They will also look at your choice as not in the "best interests" of the children. The anti-vax argument always fails in the public court system.

Why?

Because, the health care system is part of the government and so is the legal system. If the legal system were to say the medical system is WRONG that would be a huge government kerfuful. As well, judges are NOT medical professionals and will not go against the research and SCIENCE put forward by the medical community.

Religion often does not play out well in the secular court system. Remember Church has no influence over the legal system and laws. You need to seriously consider your position as like Rockscan said... you could loose access to your children for radical religious beliefs.

Put your faith in SCIENCE and not a false god who does not exist.

Quote:

He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see
He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
He got the answers to ease my curiosity
He dreamed a god up and called it Christianity

God is dead
And no one cares
If there is a hell
I'll see you there

He flexed his muscles to keep his flock of sheep in line
He made a virus that would kill off all the swine
His perfect kingdom of killing, suffering and pain
Demands devotion atrocities done in his name

Trent Reznor - Nine Inch Nails: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjwr...el=YearZeroNIN

rockscan · #7 11-25-2021, 11:51 AM

Im saying that if the human rights tribunal will find that your rights have not been infringed upon by the vaccination policy then a judge may not hold that you are unable to work. Their view may be that the safety of the greater population outweighs your beliefs and you are purposely unemployed. An Ontario judge has already upheld a vaccination policy in Toronto. That holds weight for other choosing to remain unvaccinated in their cases for other matters.

I will also note that according to the CrA you are considered terminated after 13 weeks and you will not be entitled to EI as you refuse to be vaccinated. Today the Ontario health team said they doubt the vaccine mandate will be removed in January like the government hopes. All of this to say that you have months of unemployment ahead of you with no pay. Your ex could argue you are purposely unemployed because the courts have sided with vaccination policies.

Tayken · #8 11-25-2021, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestHelp

So what you are saying is, that my human rights has no weight?

No they do not. The only test in Family Law that prevails is the "BEST INTERESTS OF THE CHILDREN". You put your children's health at risk and demonstrate bad parenting in the secular court system.

There is no "god" in the legal system. Leave your god at the door or you will end up like many radical religious zealots in court... paying child support with no access or custody of the children.

Tayken · #9 11-25-2021, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rockscan

Your ex could argue you are purposely unemployed because the courts have sided with vaccination policies.

Depending on how deep the religious belief is... the other parent can leverage that zealous nature of radical religious beliefs in all sorts of directions that well result in no-custody and no-access orders.

I would recommend the OP get vaccinated and leave their "religious beliefs" at the doorstep of the court house.

StillPaying · #10 11-25-2021, 02:07 PM

Your duty to support your kids will prevail. You had notice. Get the shot and keep your job or find a job where it's not required. Job or not, you'll be imputed an income if needed and arrears will grow.

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