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Old 02-03-2009, 12:37 PM
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Just wanted to post a little update to all that has happened since Dec3rd. Some here have heard the story

FRO is so corrupt.......it's disgusting.
Now for some details on what has pissed me off.

It has been a discouraging couple of weeks. We have been waiting to hear if/when FRO was ever going to rectify anything that they have done. I find it dispicable despite the Court Order and resultant stop Garnishee that He has recieved that they still continue to to deny that this is over. We have tried speaking to them the Justice Dept and others but the bottom line is that FRO still continues to report to Equifax that He owes them arrears. In the judges Reasons for Judgement He clearly states that the support Order expired in 2002 and they had no Jurisdiction to continue.
He has had to file a motion against FRO that they are in contempt of the order and that they are also falsfying documents. Terrible after all they have done that they still continue. I hope that he is sucessful in this motion tomorrow.

I wonder if FRO will ever think that they need to be accountable for thier actions? It is very maddening they they seem to think they are above the law and can go against a court order.
That was posted at another web site yesterday and to clarify....

Dec 3rd my spouse was in Court and finally won. Which means to him is that after 7 years of fighting the Judge finally issues an Order that he is satistified that there are NO arrears owing. ( In his reasons for judgement he clearly states this as of Mar 2002 that they should not have been collecting ANYTHING. They were working off of an expired order. )
But FRO cannot admit this even after being told. They had numerous oportunities to end this nightmare over the past 7 years and chose to keep their head in the sand and destroy a life as well as harm to others associated with the father in this case.

Here it is 60 days after that Judgement. FRO still is continueing to maintain that he has money oweing. They claim that they have no Order stating otherwise, and they are not going to pay the $36,000 in a sopport overpayment.

Hmmmm.... I wonder how this can be? Under the direction of our lawyer we hand delivered those orders to the court to be entered and registered in mid January. But in the mean time the Justice dept has issued a stop garnishee since Dec 12. Everyone else seems to recognize the fact that this is going down as is expected. FRO refuses twice to ammend his record with Equifax. As of Jan 23 they sent a letter to them stating he still owes support. Why this is so urgent to us is that our vehicle is going to be repo'ed any day now, have to pay the rent yet for this month. The most devistating is that several years ago the payor in this had a workplace injury that resulted in his having blood clots in his left leg. Twice he has had a pulmonary embolism travel to his lungs and almost kill him. It threatened to happen again this past Novemer 08. Many will say what about OHIP. Back in 2005 a FRO employee told him that "we dont give a )&$#$ if you die we just want our money" when he requested to keep some money for medical expenses. Well not alot you can do when FRO takes all even the medical card, and you can't work Ont Works wont give you money for the medical stockings that you need and you can't buy your medicine. They have you backed into a corner. Now that you finally are released they wont let you go.

But FRO refuses to accept any responsibility for this situation (you have to sue the recipiant) Maybe so but what about all that THEY have done to him?
You tell me?

Almost a year ago we had a web page up and were forced to take it down.
Under the advice of our lawyer it is back up but this time in the form of a blog. To those who have seen the old one it is similar but we are adding more in the days to come. It does contain all the documentation supporting our position.

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Old 02-03-2009, 01:58 PM
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The blog is now accessable. Yes I am self promotting this but it is more than time that people are told just what is happening. So I hope you will give it a read.
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Old 02-03-2009, 02:49 PM
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I used to be in media relations. The Toronto Star just did a 3 day 'look' at the state of divorce in Ontario/Canada. (Jan. 26-30)

This might be an interesting follow up if you can create excitment in them.

I did a quick search (I'm at work) and you can find the author of the three-part series (email and articles) at the link below.

TheStar.com - Opinion - Columnist - Pigg, Susan

In the next day or so (or by Friday), I'll check into some of my old contacts at the newspapers/radio etc...see if they're still around.

My thoughts are with you! This is indeed a horrible situation.
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Old 02-03-2009, 03:11 PM
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Thank you for your reply and in all honesty we need all the exposure we can get. I know it will not be an easy thing to live through, but our main goal is to bring reform to FRO practices. We have heard too many heart wrenching stories. So we know we are not alone in all of this. (still want to hear from others. M&F) Our lawyer, amoung the best, estimates that as much as 80% of FRO cases are fraudulant in some manner.
We have alot of activity planned ahead. So any help that we can garner is greatly appreciated.

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Old 02-03-2009, 03:56 PM
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CTV's W5 might be another outlet to try.

You said you still want to hear from others, so here's my story. My brother's actually.

When his son reached the age of 18, FRO continued to take his money. The employer is required to send the money until notified otherwise by FRO. My brother got his ex to sign a letter stating that the child was 18, out of school, and had recently moved from the home. It took about 7 months to get the payments stopped. During those months, the deducted payments were sent to his ex. He told FRO he was not interested in pursuing her for the overpayment. He knew she had given some of the money to his son to help him out.

The overpayment was about $2,800. He was out that money, but he did not lose his license or his job, he did not lose his home, and he did not hurt his credit rating.
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Old 02-03-2009, 06:02 PM
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Well we have made some head way today in court.
FRO position is that they dont have the orders but their lawyer had to admit that he signed off on them! So the Judge has entertained our motion against FRO and granted a trial for March 6th. There she will adress that issue and FRO committing fraud.

I have just been contacted by the Toronto Star and hopefully they will pick up on it. So that is a start.
Onwe issue that she raised was our figures of FRO "fraudulant" practices and why we estimated it to be so high. We have heard dozens of stories from people like us and I am askin here now that all give your story of FRO to me. Male or female. FRO messes up both ways. Our lawyer estimates that it could be as high as 80% are messed up. I dont need your name, that would be your choice, but please tell what has happened to you.
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:46 PM
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Another person you might want to talk to is Chris Bentley, the provincial attorney general. He is trying to give the FRO more power to autmatically adjust child support payments with out a change in court order, just based on a payors income (meaning T4) annually.
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:38 PM
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Unfortunately we have written to Mr Bentley, Mr Harper, McGuinty, Layton, The Ombudsman. Just about everyone. Either we get no response or the excuse they can't get involved in FRO matters. What can you do?

As an update to what has been happening as of yesterday Feb5th, an agent at FRO claims that what they have is not a court order.
Sorry to them but this order that does exist was registered and entered to the Court on Jan 13th. Their own lawyer signed off on it on Jan.6th. Guess they will just have to answer to the court on March 6th when we are back in there.
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Another person you might want to talk to is Chris Bentley, the provincial attorney general. He is trying to give the FRO more power to autmatically adjust child support payments with out a change in court order, just based on a payors income (meaning T4) annually.
Yikes, that's a whole other can of worms. Let's remember that there are many who file fraudulent T4s.

The underlying problem in my mind is that the FRO and the courts don't react quickly enough and properly when they know what the situation is. I've heard many stories of FRO and courts being slow on both sides, often child support goes unpaid for years while things slowly grind through the system. Other times (as this thread) things continue for years and should not. The system is not reactive enough. One huge difficulty we've had with the FRO is we can't talk directly to the case worked on our case and we can't interfere directly with the lawyer assigned to the case when it goes to court. Could we do that we could directly supply evidence and reasoning behind things, point out the inconsistencies and lies. This would reduce the time spent on the case, get things going faster.
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:15 PM
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That is the main problem with FRO... they are as slow as snails (I am being polite...LOL) This is our main problem and that they are in denial. They still claim that they dont have a court order and thusly wont adjust things. Well He is back in court Mar 6th. And are they in for a shock. There are many points in this case that will be raised. Our main goal is to gain reform so that this does not happen to anyone else. We know that there are others out there that are experiencing similiar and we want to hear from you/them.

Also this is our blog and it tells the whole story.
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