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  • #16
    I cannot see how/why her insistence on including ODF in her motion materials has any relevance. It will hardly be the silver bullet, "aha moment" or otherwise in terms of the matters before the court.

    I think it will all simply fall into a gray area/abyss and be more or less inconsequential on all levels.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by hadenough View Post
      I cannot see how/why her insistence on including ODF in her motion materials has any relevance. It will hardly be the silver bullet, "aha moment" or otherwise in terms of the matters before the court.

      I think it will all simply fall into a gray area/abyss and be more or less inconsequential on all levels.
      Cause we pissed her off when we called her on her lies.
      Last edited by standing on the sidelines; 09-25-2012, 05:45 PM.

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      • #18
        Confused as to why she is bothering?It shows that she is very controlling over her ex even to the point of trying to put a stop to any online friendships he may have.Its f**ken stupid too...its a great way of keeping an eye on the other partys strategy,why would you want to confirm that you are stalking him?Chances are judge will think she's unstable.

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        • #19
          My interpretation is that she's not that bright. Workingdad called her out in court over her internet activities so she thinks, in a simplistic way, that calling him out will balance the scales.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by murphyslaw View Post
            Confused as to why she is bothering?It shows that she is very controlling over her ex even to the point of trying to put a stop to any online friendships he may have.Its f**ken stupid too...its a great way of keeping an eye on the other partys strategy,why would you want to confirm that you are stalking him?Chances are judge will think she's unstable.
            well
            in her mind I am controling her every move...

            from the same affidavit

            39. Respondent did ask during questioning about Applicant Facebook account (t hat account was not involved in matter). Latter on Respondent wrote post that he has 100ds of pages of Applicant activity. That's only proves how Respondent control each move of Applicant. ( Exhibit A )
            and how about that

            40. Respondent did "publish article " about whole case, which did cost troubles in work to Applicants brother, as they both share same last name. ( Exhibit A )
            anyone can guess what she is talking about ?

            This is brilliant

            21. During questions Respondent did raise his voice, was nervous and pushing. Some questions were demanding, asking for more information not relevant to case; some questions were from 2009 and about friends of Applicant Respondent was not asking much about case and/or Maxeem. He used questioning to investigate/dig in Applicant private life and got even her accused that she is dangerous to child.
            lets wait for transcript... it's ordered already
            Last edited by WorkingDAD; 09-25-2012, 07:24 PM.

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            • #21
              What the hell is she on?Isn't this going to end up on Canli anyway?if it isn't already?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by WorkingDAD View Post
                anyone can guess what she is talking about ?
                Family Law News
                April 2012
                Written by Lauren Bale & Kanata Cowan

                http://www.hamiltonlaw.on.ca/Librari...2012.sflb.ashx

                One would assume that the person in question is possibly refering to the article written by Lauren Bale and Kanata Cowan.

                Which was published on "The Hamilton Law Association" website.

                My understanding of The Hamilton Law Association is:

                The Hamilton Law Association is one of the oldest county and district law associations in the Province. It was created by the hard work and inspiration of Britton Bath Osler with the purpose to support a law library in the Court House, the general interests of the profession, and the good feeling and harmony of its members...
                History -> The Hamilton Law Association

                Good Luck!
                Tayken

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Tayken View Post
                  Family Law News
                  April 2012
                  Written by Lauren Bale & Kanata Cowan

                  http://www.hamiltonlaw.on.ca/Librari...2012.sflb.ashx

                  One would assume that the person in question is possibly refering to the article written by Lauren Bale and Kanata Cowan.

                  Which was published on "The Hamilton Law Association" website.

                  My understanding of The Hamilton Law Association is:



                  History -> The Hamilton Law Association

                  Good Luck!
                  Tayken
                  you got it right Sir

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by WorkingDAD View Post
                    you got it right Sir
                    It's All Your Fault that independent lawyers read the publicly posted case law and wrote an article about this publicly posted decision?

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                    • #25
                      ^^^^^^^^
                      This article is spot on about high conflict people.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Nadia View Post
                        ^^^^^^^^
                        This article is spot on about high conflict people.
                        This statement from the above mentioned article is relevant to the matter being discussed in relation to the consistent false allegations that highly conflicted people make before the court in family law matters:

                        (My emphasis added)

                        Part of the progress of our modern society is our belief in justice for all. This means our courts, workplaces, community organizations, and others have become much more fair and open to everyone. As a society, we’re dedicated to helping victims of abuse and punishing perpetrators. This is a good thing, but it means we must learn to tell the difference between those who are true victims and those who just feel like victims and are complaining because of their personalities (although some people have personality problems and are true victims). Our procedures of fairness and openness unintentionally encourage complaints and prolonged disputes. We thoroughly and objectively examine limited “facts,” without recognizing the significance of personality problems and how they can distort the “facts.” This encourages those with personality disorders to seek validation and vindication for personal problems and upsets they can’t handle inside themselves through the courts and other agencies. They know people will listen and take them seriously.

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                        • #27
                          Im glad we are safe from one of those people .Stbx used to hit and slap the kids whenever he got in a bad mood and blame them...for HIM hitting them.It was all their fault apparently.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by murphyslaw View Post
                            Im glad we are safe from one of those people .Stbx used to hit and slap the kids whenever he got in a bad mood and blame them...for HIM hitting them.It was all their fault apparently.
                            Be very careful how you make these allegations though if you did not act on those instances as they occurred as a parent and then allege them before the court after the fact on the balance of probabilities they could be considered as "false allegations".

                            It is ok to "vent" on a forum like this but, the court will require cogent and relevant evidence beyond your statement of "belief" to these incidents and detailed particulars in demonstrating this evidence. (See the above quoted paragraph with my emphasis.)

                            Your emotional state will come into question and you will be cross examined viva voce at trial to determine if the statements of belief and evidence to the conduct you are alleging is "true" on the balance of probabilities. The balance will be VERY high against you if you do not bring forward cogent and relevant evidence to prior incidents. Also, affidavits from "friends" stating more "belief" with no factual evidence in support will only raise more questions potentially. Negative advocates are of no assistance to the court and any "friend" or "family member" who recants your story is not "evidence" potentially to conflict but, evidence that you may be able to execute a "distortion campaign" against the other parent.

                            I am not saying to are doing this... But, presenting the counter arguments to allegations of abuse. If you present yourself as a victim the court will not automatically determine in your favour and the other party will present counter evidence. Often, incredibly strong counter evidence that can demonstrate that the attempts to bring forward these allegations are to establish a "false status quo" in the favour of the party making them.

                            As demonstrated in the case law already posted for the file in question, this can impact custody decisions when weighted against the "best interests" test with prejudice against the party who continually makes them without evidence.

                            Good Luck!
                            Tayken

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Tayken View Post
                              Be very careful how you make these allegations though if you did not act on those instances as they occurred as a parent and then allege them before the court after the fact on the balance of probabilities they could be considered as "false allegations".

                              It is ok to "vent" on a forum like this but, the court will require cogent and relevant evidence beyond your statement of "belief" to these incidents and detailed particulars in demonstrating this evidence. (See the above quoted paragraph with my emphasis.)

                              Your emotional state will come into question and you will be cross examined viva voce at trial to determine if the statements of belief and evidence to the conduct you are alleging is "true" on the balance of probabilities. The balance will be VERY high against you if you do not bring forward cogent and relevant evidence to prior incidents. Also, affidavits from "friends" stating more "belief" with no factual evidence in support will only raise more questions potentially. Negative advocates are of no assistance to the court and any "friend" or "family member" who recants your story is not "evidence" potentially to conflict but, evidence that you may be able to execute a "distortion campaign" against the other parent.

                              I am not saying to are doing this... But, presenting the counter arguments to allegations of abuse. If you present yourself as a victim the court will not automatically determine in your favour and the other party will present counter evidence. Often, incredibly strong counter evidence that can demonstrate that the attempts to bring forward these allegations are to establish a "false status quo" in the favour of the party making them.

                              As demonstrated in the case law already posted for the file in question, this can impact custody decisions when weighted against the "best interests" test with prejudice against the party who continually makes them without evidence.

                              Good Luck!
                              Tayken

                              Taken it was documented by CAS and CAS is 100% behind me in everything I did.Recently in supervised access he admitted doing it and apologised.Not that the apology was worth alot to the kids but we have been fully vindicated in our actions.However......he lied in every single interview and affidavit about the abuse.Admitting it now.....well it brings some closure to the kids (if they continue to have supervised access only)

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Tayken View Post
                                It's All Your Fault that independent lawyers read the publicly posted case law and wrote an article about this publicly posted decision?
                                Apparently it is in her mind. I am wondering what will happened with her brother job when he will come to testify to court and it become clear that he lied on affidavit as it now contradicts third party disclosure when he even had a problems because of some article written by lawyers...

                                Of well that may be there will be no witnesses coming (as of now).

                                WD

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