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  • #16
    Brampton 33:

    Each party will pay the back child support for that past year.
    File your recent paystubs to show current income and pay child support based on that.
    Show that this extra job was a moonlighting job and you are not underemployed.

    I don't have experience here but it is what I understand to be the right way.

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    • #17
      No, you cannot do that.

      2021: “I’m going to pay based on 2020”
      2022: “I’m going to pay based on 2022”

      You pick one, you don’t switch around at will. Nobody is stupid enough to not see the game here.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Janus View Post
        No, you cannot do that.

        2021: “I’m going to pay based on 2020”
        2022: “I’m going to pay based on 2022”

        You pick one, you don’t switch around at will. Nobody is stupid enough to not see the game here.
        The time is February 2022:
        1) Hey I had an extra job that I no longer have (material change).
        2) Here is the back support I owe and I am back to my regular income.

        why doesn't that work?

        I have an ex who just went from $0 income to $60K income in december; full-time. are you saying monthly child support is based only on their $5K income for 2021 despite earning 60K a year now?

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        • #19
          Ah, missed the back support part.

          Yeah, that would work, but why do that? Just pay CS in 2022 based on the income from 2021. No back support required, you just pay it off over time.

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          • #20
            Unless you are paid cash, a side hustle isn’t worth it.

            If you didn’t want to use 2022 income in 2023 you would tell your ex in December that you made more money doing part time work and as a result the extra back support for the year is $xyz and here is a cheque for that amount. Then you take your first pay stubs/statements for Jan 2023 and you pay based on that.

            Or you just suck it up and live frugally. Unfortunately the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Brampton33 View Post
              When it comes time to do my taxes in April 2022, my Line 150 will show that I made an extra $12,000 in 2021. Then in 2022 I will have to show my updated financials, and pay more in CS....even though I no longer have the graveyard shift job and back to only working my regular job. So I guess you would have to factor that in and save accordingly while making the extra dough in 2021?
              To repeat myself:

              Originally posted by JanusTheRepeater
              Essentially, you paid less support in 2021 than you should have (since it was based on 2020) but you will pay more in 2022 than you should since it will be based on 2021.
              You earned $12k. You have to pay CS on it at some point. You could have done it right away in 2021, or you can do it in 2022. You can't just decide to not pay it.

              But in December 2021 I realized I was turning into a zombie and quit as its not healthy.
              It could be worse, your ex could have felt that you were just whining and a judge could have imputed the 12k as permanent income.

              You have to be out of your mind to do a side hustle if you pay CS. Your take home could easily be under 30% of the gross of the side hustle once you factor in taxes and CS. Even worse, unless it is a business, you don't get to deduct the costs of earning the extra income, which mean that the costs are entirely born by you and your ex just gets the rewards. Likely your ex will get more money from the side hustle than you.

              Moreover, I want to be fresh and have energy for my parenting days.
              Your kids could spend more time with the mother, so that you can stay "fresh" and the kids overall can have more money available. That might be in the best interests of your children.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Janus View Post
                To repeat myself:

                Your kids could spend more time with the mother, so that you can stay "fresh" and the kids overall can have more money available. That might be in the best interests of your children.
                I hope that is sarcasm.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Brampton33 View Post
                  Congrats on getting reported to the site administrators.
                  I am devastated. I expect to be removed from the forum any second now so I'll try to keep this brief.

                  You are in no position to comment about the best interest of my children.
                  I am a member of a forum where you asked a question, I clearly am in that position.

                  I will refrain from making any disparaging remarks about you, despite the temptation.
                  Disparage away. You don't know me, what could you possibly say that would be of consequence to me?

                  I sought input from this thread on whether it was worth it or not to take on an extra job in my spare time.
                  The kids would have access to more money, so it is definitely worth it to the kids.

                  I have extra time on my hands.
                  Sounds like time you could be earning dolla bills yo!

                  Another mentioned to try to find under the table gigs. Both provided good advice.
                  Illegal. Better hope your ex doesn't find out about it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Brampton33 View Post
                    That comment reeks of someone feeling bitter and is completely uncalled for and inappropriate.
                    Actually, basically what Janus told you is what judges tell people in their court rooms every day. Janus just tends to make it more direct. Suffice to say, Janus is probably one of the most important and most valuable contributors to this forum. You should pay close attention to his sharp but very important contributions to this forum.

                    Originally posted by Brampton33 View Post
                    Congrats on getting reported to the site administrators.
                    Thank you for making me laugh out loud. Suffice to say Jeff and Blink are laughing too probably. Just be grateful that Mess is no longer contributing on this forum.

                    Originally posted by Brampton33 View Post
                    You are in no position to comment about the best interest of my children.
                    Reminder: You are on a forum... where people use fake names... LOL.

                    Originally posted by Brampton33 View Post
                    I will refrain from making any disparaging remarks about you, despite the temptation.
                    Trust me... Having been here for a while... and Janus too. We have both seen the full extent of "disparaging remarks" that can be hurled. There were a lot more "resourceful" posters in the past... Your time here is limited I suspect...

                    Originally posted by Brampton33 View Post
                    I sought input from this thread on whether it was worth it or not to take on an extra job in my spare time. I have 50/50 parenting of my kids and find that when the kids are with their mother, I have extra time on my hands. That is all.
                    Use that time wisely.

                    Originally posted by Brampton33 View Post
                    Others have provided good advice. One poster mentioned not to bother and stick with my primary 9-5 job only. Another mentioned to try to find under the table gigs. Both provided good advice.
                    Clean your place. Pre-prepare the meals for when your children return so you have more time with the children. Do all household chores that would otherwise substract time with your children. Use your time wisely.

                    Originally posted by Brampton33 View Post
                    It is a valid thought to me that I don't want to burn the candle at both ends and burn out. I also learned that I would have to cover the added CS in the following year for the extra money earned the year prior. That is good information to know and I appreciate learning that from this forum rather than through paid counsel.
                    You can also learn that from a google search or reading a parenting book too.

                    Get over yourself... or you will rage quit this forum like so many other people trying to give and get good advice...

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Janus View Post
                      Sounds like time you could be earning dolla bills yo!

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                      • #26
                        Whenever I read anything from Janus I think of Leonard on Big Bang holding up the handwritten sign that says “sarcasm”.

                        You’re on an online anonymous forum. If you are getting your knickers in a knot about sarcasm you are never going to survive in court.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by rockscan View Post
                          Whenever I read anything from Janus I think of Leonard on Big Bang holding up the handwritten sign that says �sarcasm�.

                          You�re on an online anonymous forum. If you are getting your knickers in a knot about sarcasm you are never going to survive in court.
                          You forgot the obligatory "my friend" comment at the end of this statement... Like how a good barrister does it when presenting a sarcastic argument back to the other side... or their "friend". :P

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                          • #28
                            I've honestly seen some judgements that actually said that crap though: That the kids would be better spending more time with one parent because it would leave the other parent free to make more money.

                            Obviously not written as explicitly as that, but that was essentially the judgement.

                            I thought Brampton knew my position: I get pissed off at fathers (or even mothers to be honest) who accept less than 50% parenting time. It was funny though that he potentially reported me over it.

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                            • #29
                              We all have different lives and some are under tremendous stress and edge. It did come across as a bit rough. Money is the root of most evils in Family Court.
                              Brampton dad is doesn't want to loose time with their kids and it feels like an uphill battle when one parent has a better standard of living than the other.

                              I think the difference is something that can be overcome, it isn't easy but it can be.

                              A warning here is....judges can be very unfair, don't give an opening for this; chose words carefully.

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                              • #30
                                PinkHouses and Brampton33



                                Your PSTD-like reactions from family law is showing. I encourage both of you to see out CBT. You are both over-thinking edge cases based on your current or past family law experiences I suspect.

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