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Old 10-19-2012, 01:10 AM
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I agree with previous posters. I'd be shopping for another family doctor. Family physicians are "generalists" and if your doctor suspects your daughter has a psychological disorder he should have referred her to a specialist who deals with children (not just a run-of-the-mill psychologist).


It is not inconceivable that your daughter is manipulating the situation. I'm sure other posters can recommending some literature for you to read on this subject.

Best of luck with your situation.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:14 AM
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I agree with previous posters. I'd be shopping for another family doctor. Family physicians are "generalists" and if your doctor suspects your daughter has a psychological disorder he should have referred her to a specialist who deals with children (not just a run-of-the-mill psychologist).


It is not inconceivable that your daughter is manipulating the situation. I'm sure other posters can recommending some literature for you to read on this subject.

Best of luck with your situation.
You'll still have issues with any report. I had one psych report, my ex had one. Both were done by "respected" therapist yet came to two different conclusions. We got lucky and had a cool Judge that day and he seriously looked high but was cool as heck. He basically laughed it off and asked both me and my ex (not the lawyers) what we would like him to do? (of course it was rhetorical). He basically said he trued the OCL report and nothing else would sway him. we got very lucky we got him that day I think a more stressed Judge would have gave to us that day. Family law is becoming a jungle and the Judges seem very pissy.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:29 AM
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Most high confrontational family court lawyers have a list of biased psychologists they can and do request for issues such as these. Psychologists are different from psychiatrists. I am sure a seasoned judge knows the difference.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:34 AM
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Most high confrontational family court lawyers have a list of biased psychologists they can and do request for issues such as these. Psychologists are different from psychiatrists. I am sure a seasoned judge knows the difference.

Psychiatrist are just as bad and easily bought.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:58 AM
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I wasn't referring to bribery. There are some psychologists who are known to be "pro female" and others who are known to be "pro male." These people get most of their referrals from lawyers and spend many, many hours in the court rooms. If you've ever tried to get in to see a medical specialist (such as an orthopedic surgeon or psychiatrist) you would know how difficult it is to get an appointment before 6 months.

No I don't believe psychologists are the same as psychiatrists.
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Psychiatrist are just as bad and easily bought.
before you make statements like that you had better be able to back them up. When you throw out wild statements like that it damages your crediability IMHO.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:25 AM
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Unless the doctor thinks it's serious enough to call CAS as being a danger to the child, it isn't likely to hold much weight if he takes you to court for denial of access.
In fact, I would call "BS" on the OP blink here... The college of physicians and surgeons, the doctors governing body, would remove the doctor's license for providing this instruction to a client (patient) as it is GROSS MISCONDUCT as defined by their governing Act and section 283.(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada.

The doctor is compelled by law and their governing body to:

(a) Contact the Children's Aid Society
(b) Report the concern so it can be investigated
(c) Work with the CAS and provide all the evidence based medicine (records, assessments, plans) for the child in question to CAS

No clinician (registered nurse, doctor, social worker, psychologiest, et all...) should be recommending a parent act in contravention of the Criminal Code Section 283.(1) or 282.(1) ("Abduction") and for a parent to "self remedy" a matter by removing a child in contravention of a court order.

Furthermore, due to recent issues and recent updates by their colleges due to rash of parental abductions in an attempt to create a "false status quo" the governing clinical bodies have all issued statements to the members of their college specifically and explicitly stating this.

As well, the LSUC has notified their members as well not to provide improper instruction and advice when not retained in a matrimonial dispute. (In the past 2-3 weeks I believe.)

Doctors are registered and HIGHLY GOVERNED professionals in Canada and if a doctor is providing this instruction to a client (patient) it may possibly constitute malpractice in accordance with their college's governing rules and the other various medical acts and laws they are required to understand and follow in order to practice medicine.

There has been a rash of "the doctor told me to do it" or "CAS told me to do it" recently on the board which is all "BS".

The doctor is compelled by their practice requirements to contact the CAS and the CAS is required by their governing rules and laws to act when a child is in risk of emotional and/or physical harm and/or maltreatment and/or neglect.

So, it is all well and good for someone to come here in vent, but the argument that "the doctor told me to do it" and/or "CAS told me to do it" is all complete "BS" in my honest opinion and have no grounding in fact as these professionals are compelled by law to literally *DO IT* if the child is at risk.

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Old 10-19-2012, 07:26 AM
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1) Your doctor is an idiot and most likely a personal friend who has been swayed by your "jibber jabber"
2) a MD is not in any position to diagnose emotional issues and if he is trying to do so he's over reaching
3) make, no DARE him to put it on paper. I bet you he doesn't.

If any MD said this nonsense to me, either pro or con, I would contacting the College of physicians and then filing a civil claim
No, doc is not a family friend but a very professional local doctor.

And yes, family doctors deal with emotional issues all the time. Who do you think deals with depressions and anxieties for most patients? You saying this is just an inflammatory statement.

I am sorry. I did not expect it to illicit such high emotions. Much of what I have read on this board has advocated for a calm, thoughtful response. Running off to file complaints against the doctor isn't going to help my daughter heal or improve her relationship with her Dad.

The doctor was telling me their recommendations which also included an immediate referral to a child mental health professional. We have been receiving help and support.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.
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I think it is unconciounable for a doctor to make a recomendation that a child be alienated from their parent. The child is not in physical danger and unless there is cause for the doctor to report the father to the CAS, they are being completely unprofessional and inappropriate.

From your description there is certainly cause for the three of you to go to family counselling to address what has happened.

Perhaps it is possible you misunderstood the doctor's comments. Otherwise, if a doctor said anything like this either to me about my ex, or to my ex about me, I would be filing a complaint with the College of Physicians and Surgeons.
I agree with Mess 100000000000000% on this one.
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No, doc is not a family friend but a very professional local doctor.

And yes, family doctors deal with emotional issues all the time. Who do you think deals with depressions and anxieties for most patients? You saying this is just an inflammatory statement.
Although they deal with them, they are bound by their college to refer mental health issues to a qualified clinician. If you would like I can break out the various colleges rules on the practice of *Family Medicine*.

Actually, it isn't an "inflammatory statement" and is a statement of fact, although delivered in a harsh tone by the poster, but is ultimately a statement of fact.

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I am sorry. I did not expect it to illicit such high emotions. Much of what I have read on this board has advocated for a calm, thoughtful response. Running off to file complaints against the doctor isn't going to help my daughter heal or improve her relationship with her Dad.
No is attempting to leverage a statement made by a doctor to contravene the Criminal Code of Canada section 282.(1) Abduction to deny children their access to either parent.

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The doctor was telling me their recommendations which also included an immediate referral to a child mental health professional. We have been receiving help and support.
Their "recommendations" would translate literally to their "plan" for care and is required to be DOCUMENTED by law in accordance with the Medical Act in your child's medical record. If the doctor hasn't physically recorded the "plan" that you should remove the child from the other parent you will look like a complete idiot before the court when (and if) the other parent requests and obtains (as their LEGAL RIGHT) your child's medical record and has the "doctor" ordered to cross examination.

You are possibly engaged in a "distortion campaign" against the other parent and possibly attempting to transform the doctor into what is known as a "negative advocate". Be very careful on how you may be perceived if you have to explain to the court why the child is not going on access visits as agreed or court ordered and the doctor doesn't have prior documentation in the child's medical records (or your medical records) recommending that access be suspended to the other parent.

More than likely, the "doctor" will not testify to anything not recorded in their notes and said to you in person. They will deny stating that and may even state that your emotional state may be causing you to project or be impairing your cognitive functioning. Which could really make things even WORSE for you before the court.

What people here are showing and demonstrating is the possibilities of response from the other party in the matter.
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