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  • #16
    Originally posted by DowntroddenDad View Post
    I would not buy GTA, nor would I let my kids have it in my residence. It is violent and mysogynistic to be sure. But as much as I don't like it, what I would dislike more is some faceless bureauacracy telling me what and what I cannot hear. It would be better for society for people to speak out against this game and shame the maker if needed, so that there would be a backlash and drop in sales.
    I'm the same way. It's up to each individual to make decisions for themselves; what they buy in stores and what they sell in stores they run. What alarms me most is the number of individuals who enjoy GTA games without being disgusted by the content.

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    • #17
      If Target chooses not to sell a certain product, that is their choice.

      I think their reasoning could have been less specific though. They should've said they chose not to sell it because it is violent. Full Stop. Violence against women is covered under their reasoning of violence. But saying they aren't selling the game because it is violent against women, while selling other games that show violence against men, is hypocritical. You are either against all violence or you're not.

      That said, there are tons of games that have the hero slicing and shooting through mountains of men and women, all those are fine. I've never played GTA, it simply doesn't appeal to me, so I don't know what the particular violence this game represents that is any different then me sniping a male/female in Call of Duty.

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      • #18
        Catering to women, who are responsible for the lion's share of shopping for their families, is a brilliant marketing move. Specifically excepting a product from your shelves that promotes violence against women and publicising your exception is merely another marketing move.

        I've never been a "TarJay" kind of girl, but if they make this kind of corporate move, I'll support them in the future.

        As to Cosby - well, I suspect he has no marketing moves left.
        Start a discussion, not a fire. Post with kindness.

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        • #19
          I'm confused as to why Target suddenly decided to ban GTA V, or why this is even in the news suddenly, except that it is marketing, or trying to cater to a certain demographic, with recent news events? Target is not doing well financially, at all.

          GTA V has been out since 2013, in one console form or another. It's only suddenly, that it's now coming out/or has come out, for more recent game console systems.

          All the prior GTA releases included violence, where, some of that violence was involving the "female" characters in the game. Nothing new there.

          Banning a game, just makes it more sought after, from other retailers.
          The game's publisher (Rockstargames) will love this.
          Last edited by dad2bandm; 12-05-2014, 12:51 PM. Reason: Finished thought.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by HammerDad View Post
            If Target chooses not to sell a certain product, that is their choice.

            I think their reasoning could have been less specific though. They should've said they chose not to sell it because it is violent. Full Stop. Violence against women is covered under their reasoning of violence. But saying they aren't selling the game because it is violent against women, while selling other games that show violence against men, is hypocritical. You are either against all violence or you're not.

            That said, there are tons of games that have the hero slicing and shooting through mountains of men and women, all those are fine. I've never played GTA, it simply doesn't appeal to me, so I don't know what the particular violence this game represents that is any different then me sniping a male/female in Call of Duty.
            To my mind, the difference in the violence is the criminality of it. In CoD you are a soldier shooting enemies in warfare. In GTA, you are a criminal stealing cars, shooting innocent bystanders and murdering prostitutes.

            Both glorify violence, but GTA glorifies crime as well, and is misogynist. For Target to portray that they singled it out for the violence against women is, as Mcdreamy suggested, probably a marketing ploy. There are other games that glorify crime and other games that are misogynist but I guess they don't have the publicity of GTA.
            Last edited by Rioe; 12-05-2014, 12:57 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by wantmyfreedom View Post
              ...relating to a video game that appeals to the degenerates of society...
              I think that's a large net you are casting there in applying your label.

              GTA 5 (or any of its earlier versions), is not my type of game, but there are completely normal folks who play it, because it is just that...a video game.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dad2bandm View Post
                I think that's a large net you are casting there in applying your label.

                GTA 5 (or any of its earlier versions), is not my type of game, but there are completely normal folks who play it, because it is just that...a video game.

                Your definition of normal is different from mine. I strongly believe that anyone playing a game that depicts this level violence is disturbed. I'll even say sadistic.

                Much like watching child porn. It is so damn wrong.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dad2bandm View Post
                  GTA 5 (or any of its earlier versions), is not my type of game, but there are completely normal folks who play it, because it is just that...a video game.
                  You guys must have hit a hot button for me or something. Can't stop my opinion here!

                  Anything that glorifies crime (video games, movies, TV, parents, older siblings, gang members in the bad neighbourhood, etc) can desensitize people to it, make it seem normal, make it seem easy, make it seem cool. Mature people can resist this, but for some, and especially impressionable people who have not finished forming their identity, it's insidious and can promote development of many antisocial attitudes.

                  Parents who suitably monitor their children's consumption of such media can offset this with appropriate discussion, but we all know that happens less than we would like.

                  Good thing this thread was off-topic to begin with!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mcdreamy View Post
                    Catering to women, who are responsible for the lion's share of shopping for their families, is a brilliant marketing move. Specifically excepting a product from your shelves that promotes violence against women and publicising your exception is merely another marketing move.

                    I've never been a "TarJay" kind of girl, but if they make this kind of corporate move, I'll support them in the future.

                    As to Cosby - well, I suspect he has no marketing moves left.

                    ^^^ well put. A wise political, marketing, economic, and moral move on Target's part.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by wantmyfreedom View Post
                      ...I strongly believe that anyone playing a game that depicts this level violence is disturbed. I'll even say sadistic.

                      Much like watching child porn. It is so damn wrong.
                      Playing a video game, is nothing like watching child porn. Not even remotely.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by dad2bandm View Post
                        Playing a video game, is nothing like watching child porn. Not even remotely.

                        Actually it is. When you have scenes depicting torture with sexual overtones ...it is misogynistic.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Rioe View Post
                          ...impressionable people who have not finished forming their identity, it's insidious and can promote development of many antisocial attitudes.

                          Parents who suitably monitor their children's consumption of such media can...
                          Definitely, it's not a game that children should be playing. Which is why it's rated M, 17+.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by wantmyfreedom View Post
                            Actually it is. When you have scenes depicting torture with sexual overtones ...it is misogynistic.
                            Again, not remotely related to watching child porn.

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                            • #29
                              The game was taken off the shelves due to customer complaints at Target and K-mart.

                              People were so disturbed that they wrote to the retailers demanding refunds.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Rioe View Post
                                To my mind, the difference in the violence is the criminality of it. In CoD you are a soldier shooting enemies in warfare. In GTA, you are a criminal stealing cars, shooting innocent bystanders and murdering prostitutes.
                                Yes, GTA does glorify crime. But if they pulled the parts where there is violence against females, you'd be OK with the game? Or at least feel better that it was only men getting beaten and murdered?

                                Both glorify violence, but GTA glorifies crime as well, and is misogynist. For Target to portray that they singled it out for the violence against women is, as Mcdreamy suggested, probably a marketing ploy. There are other games that glorify crime and other games that are misogynist but I guess they don't have the publicity of GTA.
                                As was mentioned, if this is a marketing ploy, it is a pretty bad one to anyone who really thinks about it. GTA V came out over a year ago, so the VAST majority of sales of that game is done. Now, the game is pretty much a dust collector on the shelf or is being flogged in the pre-played bin. Target didn't have issue with selling the game upon initial release. I bet some of their stores even had midnight openings to sell it. The violence in the game has been there in the 4 previous GTA's, so it isn't like this is new. They've made their money from GTA V (and every other version from the GTA brand). Now that it isn't a big sale, they'll make the token gesture of removing a non-selling game from their shelves. Good work Target!

                                I am not suggesting that GTA V is in anyway a good game or whatever. I've never played, it isn't my type of game. It is a violent game. But if your sole beef with it is that there is violence against women, you are focusing on a very small part of the actual problem with the game. And the actual problem is that is too violent and glorifies crime....of all kinds....against everyone.

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