Someone on this forum helped with the cross examination questions and that file deeply. Post your questions in a thread and that person will probably help... hint hint hint.
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Originally posted by Tayken View PostSomeone on this forum helped with the cross examination questions and that file deeply. Post your questions in a thread and that person will probably help... hint hint hint.
1. I said I did A. In Clinician's notes, it says I said I did B.
2. I said I did a, b, c, d, e, with children before seperation. In her report, Clinician says I said I did d only with children before seperation. However, after I disputed the report, Clinician added a, b, c and d knowning that there is proof I did a, b, c, d and e.
3. Clinician also cherry picked and sometimes made incorrect statements about what is in CAS and police report. Applicant said one thing to police and another to CAS but Clinician made it seem like Applicant said the same thing to CAS and police.
4. Clinician also reworded children's statements from CAS report that reflected Applicant in poor light.
5. I also provided some descrepency between Applicant's Court Proceedings and Police report to Clinician. Same information ended up with Applicant's lawyer before OCL provided clinician's notes to both parties.
6. Applicant's statements to CAS, OCL, Police and court show she is not being honest but clinician ignored it and believe everything she said even overriding what children had said to CAS.
7. Also, children's statements to OCL are questionable as she described some body language from children which he doesn't do.
8. and so on.
How do I show that what clinician is saying came from applicant, children and myself, didn't really come from these sources.
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Originally posted by Dad204 View PostHere are some of the thing I would have to cross exmine the Clinician on:
1. I said I did A. In Clinician's notes, it says I said I did B.
If its "never took children" to the doctors and you have medical records and clinical encounter documentation stating you took the children to 25% or more of their medical appointments it IS relevant.
Originally posted by Dad204 View Post2. I said I did a, b, c, d, e, with children before seperation. In her report, Clinician says I said I did d only with children before seperation. However, after I disputed the report, Clinician added a, b, c and d knowning that there is proof I did a, b, c, d and e.
ABCD and E could be relevant important things or they could be non-relevant. Hard to guide without details.
Originally posted by Dad204 View Post3. Clinician also cherry picked and sometimes made incorrect statements about what is in CAS and police report. Applicant said one thing to police and another to CAS but Clinician made it seem like Applicant said the same thing to CAS and police.
Originally posted by Dad204 View Post4. Clinician also reworded children's statements from CAS report that reflected Applicant in poor light.
Originally posted by Dad204 View Post5. I also provided some descrepency between Applicant's Court Proceedings and Police report to Clinician. Same information ended up with Applicant's lawyer before OCL provided clinician's notes to both parties.
Originally posted by Dad204 View Post6. Applicant's statements to CAS, OCL, Police and court show she is not being honest but clinician ignored it and believe everything she said even overriding what children had said to CAS.
Originally posted by Dad204 View Post7. Also, children's statements to OCL are questionable as she described some body language from children which he doesn't do.
Lots of easy targets with observationals from a clinician who has had limited contact with the subject. Constantly if they are providing a professional medical opinion or observation in accordance with their clinical practices or as a regular observer. Make them state over and over that their report is non-clinical. So many judges forget that these are not clinical observations and their reports are not clinical in nature. Really good lawyers do this to them all the time.
In your capacity as a doctor would you say... Then the doctor has to say... I was not acting in the capacity nor in accordance with my governing body... if they don't state that lawyers let them hang themselves often... then ask them to clarify if they are acting as an observer or a medical professional... Again takes a skilled barrister to pull these off.
Originally posted by Dad204 View Post8. and so on.
How do I show that what clinician is saying came from applicant, children and myself, didn't really come from these sources.
Everything boils down to yes/no questions. You need to prepare structured questions...
If I showed you what WD did... its basically a logic tree with 20-30 branches of questions. Remember, he is a software engineer... so he did it as a series of "IF YES THEN" or "ELSE" statements. It was tested about 20 times in mock situations where people answering threw wrenches at it.
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