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  • #31
    pursuing, can i ask what is it exactly you think i might be lying about ?

    if you read canii and dont see 'Judge ordered children to see therapist to brainwash them' in court order are you then going to say I made it up ... cause of course it doesnt say that , the court transcript though would have me telling the Judge thats what my children said ..

    just curious ..

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    someone educate me about what can be posted on canii ?
    as far as I am concerned my case is closed, however i go each year to
    same judge using same case # to get my holidays and CS updated, can I
    ask my case to be closed - does it matter to canii , i go later this
    month so this is timely.

    disclosing HR actually meant posting test in this thread, but now am thinking , therapist wanted reports (ironically) they wrote released - i dont want that (yet) cause i got simple case and suspect they want to dump 100's pages of useless material to be reviewed - would these be in canlii ?
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    got a observation/perception question for those visiting this page,
    as you know Canada is multiculural, if you watch TV commericals and
    look at ad's carefully you will notice the ad's usually contain people
    of all walks of life - all ethnic origins, its so no ethnic origin feels left out
    or a minority ... that we are all part of the community.

    great idea ... make every one feel welcome - part of a family.


    now consider this poster, it new, its posted all over Calgary in various
    sizes , its meant to be rather harmless in terms of offending anyone ,
    , its a government poster - a art team designed it, most likely was reviewed and approved by various people , it was sent to a contracted printer - a company was hired to install them .. probably 50 people handled this picture before you or me ever say it.


    without knowing it they published whats generally acceptable to the public.


    http://www.wheretheylie.com/images/ct.jpg


    as many of you know their is an updated version of this symbol
    of a family - its been available for 10+ years - it shows the child in
    between the parents.

    just saying ...

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    • #32
      I don't think its so much lying as it is your perception of what the truth is. As in there are two sides to every story. In my opinion, divorce is almost never about one person being totally right and the other totally wrong...and truthfully, I'm always skeptical when someone presents a story that the other person is evil incarnate and they're completely without fault. Just my opinion.

      As for sexist pictures...what about this one? Google Image Result for http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bKoAd4YrGgM/S4WjmXTeizI/AAAAAAAADrA/6Z8QusKRxiw/s400/two+people+walking+abreast.jpg


      (sorry for the ginormous link)


      That's two men walking abreast. So wrong!

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      • #33
        true i can see the google photo is offensive

        i am not 100% sure it has anything to do with
        80 to 90% custody of 2.1 million children, please
        explain.

        my point with the new "government" poster is
        that it was handled by professionals - that alot of
        people handled the poster and it was still published.

        its a subtle reminder to me how society still perceives
        the family unit, having looked at the poster if
        you view it again notice the child is a girl.

        my experience is this "social stigmatism" exists
        outside the court room and in it.

        what do you see ...

        http://www.wheretheylie.com/images/ct.jpg

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        • #34
          I see three people: A man, a woman and a child. I don't see anywhere that it says it respresents a family unit of any kind. It's three people waiting for the train. To assume it's meant to indicate a family is presumptuous. IMO, it simply depicts three passengers.

          What I do know is that we don`t always see things as they are, we them as WE are. If you go into it looking for a particular perspective, you will see what you want to see.
          Last edited by blinkandimgone; 05-06-2012, 09:03 AM. Reason: the voices told me to....

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          • #35
            Originally posted by blinkandimgone View Post
            I see three people: A man, a woman and a child. I don't see anywhere that it says it respresents a family unit of any kind. It's three people waiting for the train. To assume it's meant to indicate a family is presumptuous. IMO, it simply depicts three passengers.

            What I do know is that we don`t always see things as they are, we them as WE are. If you go into it looking for a particular perspective, you will see what you want to see.
            Good point blink!

            The picture is not meant to be a family. If they used the child in between two parents, then some would think it was a message only for families.

            Also, what should the two parents be wearing? To truly be neutral, they can't show a man and a woman can they.

            So show a single passenger, and a passenger with a child. This is what the poster represents.

            It seems to me that the people who were involved with making this poster went through all this thinking.

            pokeman's assumption that it supposed to represent a family, and therefore shows a bias in the system, is misguided. As are most of his 'conclusions'.

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            • #36
              I saw a woman holding a child's hand, (didn't note gender of Child) and some random guy standing beside them (not necessarily "with" them, but perhaps so)

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              • #37
                as you can see some are 100% sure there is
                nothing wrong with the sign/poster

                technically that is correct, and it's also
                not a family as pictured

                to recap:
                - i posted how advertising has come along way
                especially in multiculuralism to make us all
                feel we belong ... about not being a minority.

                - i also posted there is a better sign/poster symbol
                available for a family to include a father,
                so then the focus became is it a 'father' or
                'random' man.

                - i asked everyone to notice the child was a girl (hint),
                as my children are all girls

                --

                perception:

                it was determined it was a random man so therefore i must be
                100% wrong there is no stigma.

                once a majority was reached then my credability is again
                questioned.

                to me this was a very useful exercise in perception
                and I am hoping we ALL get something out of it, and I do
                really appreciate those posting what they see ... thank
                you.

                now consider the altered poster on the right ... and the
                last time you saw this symbol then reconsider if there is
                a stigma or not

                http://www.wheretheylie.com/images/ct_altered.jpg

                you shared and now you see what I see ...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by pokeman View Post
                  as you can see some are 100% sure there is
                  nothing wrong with the sign/poster

                  technically that is correct, and it's also
                  not a family as pictured

                  to recap:
                  - i posted how advertising has come along way
                  especially in multiculuralism to make us all
                  feel we belong ... about not being a minority.

                  - i also posted there is a better sign/poster symbol
                  available for a family to include a father,
                  so then the focus became is it a 'father' or
                  'random' man.

                  - i asked everyone to notice the child was a girl (hint),
                  as my children are all girls

                  --

                  perception:

                  it was determined it was a random man so therefore i must be
                  100% wrong there is no stigma.

                  once a majority was reached then my credability is again
                  questioned.

                  to me this was a very useful exercise in perception
                  and I am hoping we ALL get something out of it, and I do
                  really appreciate those posting what they see ... thank
                  you.

                  now consider the altered poster on the right ... and the
                  last time you saw this symbol then reconsider if there is
                  a stigma or not

                  http://www.wheretheylie.com/images/ct_altered.jpg

                  you shared and now you see what I see ...
                  oh come on people, this is making too big of a deal about nothing. Does this mean that those people with the stickers on the back of their cars showing dad, mom, child(ren) pets are offensive because it shows them in that order and not the kids between?? Does that make them less of a family?

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                  • #39
                    post the sticker - lets see what order they are in ...

                    just saying ...

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                    • #40
                      I'm offended by everything.

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                      • #41
                        just egging you on .. my opoligies

                        the real issue is the graphs ...

                        i am posting what I have seen and from a small amount of data
                        what others have experienced ..

                        i have seen posts about 'child rearing .. ' , i have also seen posts why is 1 parent more important if they change the diapher then 1 parent who had to work to pay for the diapher ...

                        hoping for new idea's here

                        socially or otherwise why are the graphs so 1 side ?

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                        • #42
                          I look at the altered image and see a man holding a child's hand (that I noted was a girl) and a random woman standing beside them, possibly "with" them, but first thought is NOT (w/man and child).

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                          • #43
                            If we're absolutely looking for things to make assumptions and jump to conclusions about, then one could also assume this poster is racist and only applies to black people as that is what's depicted.

                            In fact, I do believe the bathrooms at my work are racist too! I'm going to lodge a complaint with HR first thing in the morning.

                            Thanks for making me realize this pokemon, without your valuable insight I'd have nothing to be outraged about on a Monday morning - aside from the fact that it's Monday morning!
                            Last edited by blinkandimgone; 05-06-2012, 08:29 PM. Reason: the voices told me to...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Mess View Post
                              I'm offended by everything.
                              I am offended by the mouse that is trapped in the hole on your profile picture. He looks like he is being abused!

                              (Or is that a donkey trapped in a well?)

                              I am less offended by a Donkey stuck in a well for some reason.
                              Last edited by Tayken; 05-06-2012, 11:40 PM.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by pokeman View Post
                                socially or otherwise why are the graphs so 1 side ?
                                Because you like many of the fathers who traditionally walk away from their childcare responsibilities didn't. The vast majority of fathers walk away from their children.

                                You are better off going and meeting with fathers who give up their right to 50-50 full joint custody and putting a fire under them than trying to blame the system.

                                The broken part is the "family" and not the "system" that manages separation and divorce. The broken part is *FATHERS* who abandon their children.

                                Good Luck!
                                Tayken

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