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Mom 2 Two 06-26-2018 07:54 PM

OCL pointers
 
Can anyone give me some advice about this! What do they do? Who do they interview? How long does the report take?


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Tayken 06-27-2018 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mom 2 Two (Post 229612)
Can anyone give me some advice about this! What do they do? Who do they interview? How long does the report take?


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Never involve the OCL unless there is a diagnosed clinical issue with one or both of the parents. OCL is slow, biased, underqualified and will only add 10's of thousands of dollars to your matter (or more!)

See: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/do...1onsc6451.html

Stillbreathing 06-27-2018 10:40 AM

Wholeheartedly agree with Tayken! Same thing applies to custody and access assessors who are usually social workers or psychologists. We have had 4 such assessments because my ex was deemed catastrophically brain damaged. If only I had known the absolute bs and waste of money this was I would never ever have co-operated or paid 1/2!!!! Instead I would have said very clearly that Iím not the one with the diagnosed brain injury so you people can assess HIM to your hearts content. CAS , police, family and specialist doctors do not have a problem with me so you donít get to assess me or get MY money. Heís the one wanting unsupervised access so let HIM get the assessment and pay 100% of it!

These people are even more a waste of money than any other player in the family court game!

Mom 2 Two 06-27-2018 10:42 AM

Great. The other side demanded we have Them. My lawyer agreed and an order was made. My lawyer said itís good and they will be able to see through the issues. iE kids are terrified to open their mouth around dad and gf in fear of being punished.


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Mom 2 Two 06-27-2018 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tayken (Post 229625)
Never involve the OCL unless there is a diagnosed clinical issue with one or both of the parents. OCL is slow, biased, underqualified and will only add 10's of thousands of dollars to your matter (or more!)



See: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/do...1onsc6451.html



Will they listen to step mom? My ex doesnít speak... He doesnít formulate his own opinions. She runs the house and makes the rules. He follows.

My lawyer said OCL is free?


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kate331 06-27-2018 10:47 AM

Is OLC biased against Dadís? If they are covered by tax dollars I am guessing that itís the money spent fighting a report that would be costly.


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PeacefulMoments 06-27-2018 12:50 PM

In my daughters situation with her ex the judge ordered OCL right away. OCL accepted the case and met alone with both parents, had multiple meetings with each parent and my GD and also met and observed myself and my late husband (grandparents) with GD. It was a bit nerve wracking to try and act naturally while she was watching and writing notes. She seemed to look for positive age appropriate interactions and for appropriate redirection if needed. There was a similar observation done with the exes parents and also an exchange was observed.

When the disclosure meeting happened she read the main points of the report along with her recommendation. The two parents and the lawyers were present, no one else. She appreciated in her report that my daughter acknowledged her role in the relationship breakdown and while she addressed her concerns with the other parent also put her daughters well being at the forefront and made solid suggestions as to how she would promote the relationship with the other parent.

In contrast, her ex just bashed her as a person and parent and refused to acknowledge he had any part in the situation.

OCL also checked for any police or CAS involvement and contacted the doctor. GD was not school aged or I imagine they would have contacted the school as well.

The report was quite favourable to my daughter and I do not believe it was gender biased as the original motion judge based on lies and a false very short status quo gave temporary primary physical to the father.

Stillbreathing 06-27-2018 01:11 PM

In my case each of the four reports recommended I have sole custody. Duhhh...didnít Need to spend $25000 to determine a violent, catastrophically brain damaged parent who himself needs 24/7 care for his own safety or a normal parent...gee... which one should have sole custody?

All 4 of the reports are useless now anyway because so much time has elapsed and so much has happened in the mean time. So yes, here I am having been ruled in my favour over and over again in these reports yet crying to the High heavens what an absolute total waste of money, time and resources. I will not co-operate with another one ever again in my life.

Mom 2 Two 07-01-2018 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PeacefulMoments (Post 229634)
In my daughters situation with her ex the judge ordered OCL right away. OCL accepted the case and met alone with both parents, had multiple meetings with each parent and my GD and also met and observed myself and my late husband (grandparents) with GD. It was a bit nerve wracking to try and act naturally while she was watching and writing notes. She seemed to look for positive age appropriate interactions and for appropriate redirection if needed. There was a similar observation done with the exes parents and also an exchange was observed.

When the disclosure meeting happened she read the main points of the report along with her recommendation. The two parents and the lawyers were present, no one else. She appreciated in her report that my daughter acknowledged her role in the relationship breakdown and while she addressed her concerns with the other parent also put her daughters well being at the forefront and made solid suggestions as to how she would promote the relationship with the other parent.

In contrast, her ex just bashed her as a person and parent and refused to acknowledge he had any part in the situation.

OCL also checked for any police or CAS involvement and contacted the doctor. GD was not school aged or I imagine they would have contacted the school as well.

The report was quite favourable to my daughter and I do not believe it was gender biased as the original motion judge based on lies and a false very short status quo gave temporary primary physical to the father.



Thanks for this information. I need help to know what to include in the application. Neither parents have any sort of diagnosis Neither do the children. No CAS involvement ever. No criminal records.



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Mom 2 Two 07-01-2018 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Stillbreathing (Post 229635)
In my case each of the four reports recommended I have sole custody. Duhhh...didnít Need to spend $25000 to determine a violent, catastrophically brain damaged parent who himself needs 24/7 care for his own safety or a normal parent...gee... which one should have sole custody?



All 4 of the reports are useless now anyway because so much time has elapsed and so much has happened in the mean time. So yes, here I am having been ruled in my favour over and over again in these reports yet crying to the High heavens what an absolute total waste of money, time and resources. I will not co-operate with another one ever again in my life.



Can you tell me what information or reports I should include in the application? I have reports from therapist about things the children struggled with? Should those be included ?


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