CAS access

[iona6656]

Sorry, that doesn't work with some personality types. It is like you have never benefited by a negative experience with such a person.

It is good advice but here is a better modified version: take out the part about "social worker" that keeps your lawyer from getting on the wrong side of them and keeps them out of a pinch.

It is also good advice for any dealings where you do not know the person and they are looking to take an authoritative stance that they are not entitled to take without the correct paper work. Deflect, remove yourself from the disagreement. It really depends on knowing the person you are dealing with.

Lying to you Case Worker about you sending your kids to school or not is a bad move but something like this to protect yourself is smart. As you read Iona ran into a CAS worker that threatened them. Not a person I would want to be dealing with without record of the conversation.

lol. they did not threaten me- when I put quotes around something it usually means I'm paraphrasing.

They flat out indicated that it wasn't safe to take my kid back to an environment where a threat was made. That's not a threat- it's good child protection.

I'm with blink- don't like to a CAS worker. Don't lie to anyone who has influence on what may happen with your kid(s)- more times than not- you'll get caught out.

Personally- I found CAS really helpful and kind to work with.

[pinkHouses]

Will summarize my post above:
What type of CAS worker verbally threatens their client for following a court order?

Maybe there is more of a story there behind the threat but.....

[pinkHouses]

This is terrible advice. Do NOT lie to your case worker. You can simply ask for the information in writing without lying to them.

Sorry, that doesn't work with some personality types. It is like you have never benefited by a negative experience with such a person.

It is good advice but here is a better modified version: take out the part about "social worker" that keeps your lawyer from getting on the wrong side of them and keeps them out of a pinch.

It is also good advice for any dealings where you do not know the person and they are looking to take an authoritative stance that they are not entitled to take without the correct paper work. Deflect, remove yourself from the disagreement. It really depends on knowing the person you are dealing with.

Lying to you Case Worker about you sending your kids to school or not is a bad move but something like this to protect yourself is smart. As you read Iona ran into a CAS worker that threatened them. Not a person I would want to be dealing with without record of the conversation.

"you better not take that child back to the house".

[blinkandimgone]

This is terrible advice. Do NOT lie to your case worker. You can simply ask for the information in writing without lying to them.

[pinkHouses]

this is what I find so odd. When I dealt with CAS_the caseworker who interviewed me said IF I was to go back to my ex- they would intervene and potentially remove the child from my care.

They never gave me advice. They just provided me with resources - and more importantly drilled me on what my plans were in terms of parenting- there was heavy emphasis on "you better not take that child back to the house".

What you don't want is some CAS worker that also happens to have mental health issues / control issues turn against you so play helpless. Their ego writes checks they can't cash.

Lie to them and say.
"My lawyer told me that no matter what I must follow the order of the judge in the order even if a social worker ordered me not too, they were very emphatic that I could lose custody. I am afraid, can you send me a letter telling me what I am to do?"

My guess is you won't hear from them. I am sure there is a better response than that "Did you file the motion to have access changed?"

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[iona6656]

CAS if there is an issue will bring the matter before the court and remove the child under the Child and Family Services Act. Every time CAS tells you that the child is not supposed to see the other parent or someone else question why they are not bringing the matter forward to the court so that course of action can be taken.

CAS creates so much unnecessary conflict with "advice" and non-action on files. No CAS worker should give "advice" on access or custody. Unless CAS has an order in hand... They have no authority to instruct any parent to remove access from the other.

this is what I find so odd. When I dealt with CAS_the caseworker who interviewed me said IF I was to go back to my ex- they would intervene and potentially remove the child from my care.

They never gave me advice. They just provided me with resources - and more importantly drilled me on what my plans were in terms of parenting- there was heavy emphasis on "you better not take that child back to the house".

[Tayken]

CAS if there is an issue will bring the matter before the court and remove the child under the Child and Family Services Act. Every time CAS tells you that the child is not supposed to see the other parent or someone else question why they are not bringing the matter forward to the court so that course of action can be taken.

CAS creates so much unnecessary conflict with "advice" and non-action on files. No CAS worker should give "advice" on access or custody. Unless CAS has an order in hand... They have no authority to instruct any parent to remove access from the other.

[pinkHouses]

CAS had given me a disclaimer saying they don't deal with access and custody which is why I didn't bother asking. I have never dealt with CAS before. They seemed bombarded with cases when I called them about my son so I don't want to take up their time anymore than I absolutely have to. But thank you for your input.

CAS reports are used in courts for access.

The way CAS runs is that they are like little franchises, the more cases they get the more money they get, that doesn't mean that they do not employ caring and competent Social Workers. A results based thing as I see it. A cynical but accurate view.

Don't feel bad about "bothering" them about this. Your concern and query is legitimate and important, you don't have a choice but to enquire.

Doesn't your ex care about this type of abuse? No matter who the abuser was I would be enraged at the abuser and on the lookout for protecting my child if the abuse was proven. Hidden cameras, the works if I suspected something.

[Kart321]

I've dealt with CAS before- which city are you in?

Also- please use them- they are great resources. I would call and ask to have an appointment with a case worker or supervisor at a scheduled time. They will usually allot about 1/2hr to speak with you. Tell them your history, if you've been involved with CAS in any other City, and ask if they can monitor your situation.

Good luck.

Do you have legal counsel? or access to a legal aid clinic?

Thank you. I do have an appointment booked with CAS and I have legal counsel.

[StillPaying]

I'm no Sherlock - I'd let police and cas do their job.

[Kart321]

What is going on here? Where are the police, cas, court?
You make it sound serious, but then are trying to handle it yourself...

I do have a lawyer who told me their prior experience with CAS has been subpar. As per them because my child is so young they won't talk about the misconduct and CAS will be unable to find the grandparent at fault. My child is quite shy they take a while to open up to strangers. When he talks about what the grandparent did it won't be the entire story but pieces here and there partly because they are young and also because the grandparent has coached them not to talk. Right now it's my word against my ex's because there is no physical proof.

[StillPaying]

What is going on here? Where are the police, cas, court?
You make it sound serious, but then are trying to handle it yourself...

[iona6656]

CAS had given me a disclaimer saying they don't deal with access and custody which is why I didn't bother asking. I have never dealt with CAS before. They seemed bombarded with cases when I called them about my son so I don't want to take up their time anymore than I absolutely have to. But thank you for your input.

I've dealt with CAS before- which city are you in?

Don't get discouraged- there are really great case workers and supervisors in each city (from my experience). I have dealt with them both in the City of Toronto and the Region of Peel.

Also- please use them- they are great resources. I would call and ask to have an appointment with a case worker or supervisor at a scheduled time. They will usually allot about 1/2hr to speak with you. Tell them your history, if you've been involved with CAS in any other City, and ask if they can monitor your situation.

Good luck.

Do you have legal counsel? or access to a legal aid clinic?

[Kart321]

I don't understand how the first step could be to go to an internet forum for direction and report this instead of the CAS. It doesn't make sense to me. It is like not wearing pants on public transport, every day.

CAS had given me a disclaimer saying they don't deal with access and custody which is why I didn't bother asking. I have never dealt with CAS before. They seemed bombarded with cases when I called them about my son so I don't want to take up their time anymore than I absolutely have to. But thank you for your input.

[blinkandimgone]

Again, irrelevant and unhelpful. Just because someone asks online doesn't mean that was the first or only step they took.