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  • Would you do this with your Ex?

    So to summarize Ex and I are divorced with 2x kids, living with her and I have weekend access. I pay table CS but no SS. I filed a motion last year to vary the current access order get equal access. (I'm self-represented btw.) Fortunately for me OCL agreed, and surprisingly ex isn't fighting that.

    The money issue comes up related to daycare. Since my kids are small (both in public school) and need before/after school care, ex (due to her income) has put them in subsidized daycare. The city where we live states that subsidies are allotted per household, based upon income and cannot be shared. When custody or access changes the city mandates that subsidy recipients update the subsidy office so their new access can be re-evaluated for a subsidy. When we start to use the same daycare I would have to pay for my time and ex (if she still qualifies) can use her subsidy.

    By myself I wouldn't qualify for a daycare subsidy, not to mention the fact that I've remarried so I know 100% my household won't qualify for a subsidy. So subsidies are out for me. However, Ex is saying, "shhh, don't tell city access has changed" so she can keep her full daycare subsidy and everybody has "free" daycare. I think Ex knows if I pay daycare, I could still come after her for her Section 7 percentage of my daycare costs. With the subsidy, the daycare costs are almost zilch.

    Besides the moral issue of using a subsidy meant for poor parents when I have the ability to pay, this (to me) sounds like fraud. If it's criminal fraud I'm not sure, but it still seems like fraud in general. As such the City could do a clawback and either make her repay the subsidy fees that was for my access time with the kids or (worst case) cancel her subsidy and force a repayment of all subsidy fees. At which point I think she'd come after me for my Section 7 share for those costs. Since I earn more than her, 75% of those costs (should there be a clawback) could be mine. There's also the other reality where I think this arrangement will only last until (insert next argument topic here). At which point the same clawback etc. could apply.

    Would you do this with your Ex? Ex has had her lawyer sending me letters demanding I use her daycare subsidy. To date I've been saying no I'm not using her subsidy. However the letters keep coming.

    What would you do?

    RemarriedDadof2

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    I would contact the city subsidy office and say that you are discussing a possible change in custody level and you want to know the city's policies. A friend of mine asked me about this wondering if they would even be able to keep half the subsidy. I had no idea.

    This is not to suggest you do anything fraudulent, but you would want to be clear that the ex can at least keep her half of the subsidy. It is possible that the city may look at both of your combined income.

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    • #3
      I wouldn't piss on my ex if she was on fire, let alone potentially risk defrauding a government agency of any kind.

      Contact the relevant department and ask them "theorectically". IE. that there is a possible custody/access change, and what their rules are. Basically follow Mess' advice, he tends to be pretty spot on.

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      • #4
        ^spot on.Dont become a party to fraud of any type .Hopefully she can still pay the lower amount but either way keep your nose clean .

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        • #5
          If this is potentially illegal, can her lawyer even legally suggest/demand that you do it? I was under the impression that lawyers couldn't participate in something illegal if they knew it was.

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          • #6
            Thanks for all the replies.

            Actually, blinkandimgone, your comment started me thinking. So I took a look at the letters my ex's lawyer had sent off demanding I use her subsidy. Each one was send on his behalf by his assistant. Hmmm.... Looks like this is either a convenient coincidence, that ex's lawyer was always unavailable to send me letters to do something potentially illegal, or he's trying to protect his butt with a lame plausible deniability or something like that.

            Based upon the comments, people seem to be of a similar thought process as me, that this is illegal. Therefore I won't do this.

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            • #7
              I find it very interesting as well that the lawyer's assistant generated the letters to you. I've never heard of such a thing. As far as I know assistant's usually only correspond about appointment dates with lawyer and other sundry matters. Of course you don't participate in your ex's scheme but I would definitely get a written explanation from your ex's lawyer about the letters from the assistant.

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              • #8
                Regardless of who prepared the documents, I imagine her lawyer would still be held accountable as she is paying HIM to represent her therefore he should be aware of every piece of communication that comes in or goes out as well as advice and reccomendations given to his client.

                Not that it matters as you've chosen not to do it (great choice by the way!) however, I would keep those docs in your back pocket as they could be helpful in the future,

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