Any sample Forms already filled out? (forms 15,15A,35.1)

[CycleDad]

I'm having a heck of a time figuring out the wording to complete forms 15,15A, and 35.1

I know what the issues are, my proposals, the reasons, and orders requested and why it is best for our children but I don't know what wording is required.

The FLIC office said that they won't help me until I fill these forms out completely then they will have a look to see if it is acceptable by the court.

If I had a sample out there I could understand the wording and format that they are expecting and apply it to my case.

Are there any samples out there for these forms?

[Mess]

I don't know of any sample forms online. The forms are basicly fill in the blanks and primarily are names of children, etc and should be relatively simple. That is, compared to writing up a brief or some such, you don't need paragraphs and paragraphs of arguments.

Are there specific parts you have trouble with? I could make suggestions.

[DunnMom]

I can help you with the 15 and 15A forms if you message me privately.

[CycleDad]

Thanks Mess and DunnMom for the offer.

For form 15 part (9)" I ask for the terms of the following order of Justice X for (give details) Y.
The order does not have a name but pertains to custody and access so I should use "custody and access" in place of "Y"?

to be changed as follows (give details of the order you want the cort to make)

Should I be referenceing the old final order like this "change paragraph [xx] to blah blah blah, and keep repeating

and then for section (10) specify new orders like this "a new order to blal blah blah)

Is that what they want?

[Mess]

"for (give details)" Smith vs Smith that the...... If the order is pages long it is acceptable to scan the order and cut and paste the exact wording (this was done by my lawyer). Or just type the entire order out. If you are not sure how to word it, then just copy it verbatum and you won't go wrong.
"to be changed as follows (give details of the order you want the court to make)"
Your purpose here is to show how the old order read, and what the new order should read, so the judge can compare the two. Use the style of wording that old order used.

If you are just change 1 or 2 paragraphs of an order that is pages long, then it is acceptable to reference specific paragraphs, quote those in (give details) and provide the new version in "to be changed as follows". You should attach a copy of the old order to the back for reference. If you do it this way I would write: p. 3(a) ... blah blah blah (as per full order attached).

Your intent to should be to make it easy for the judge to see what the change is, to provide the old order so that they can see what the context was and to suggest a new wording for the order.

[CycleDad]

Mess,
Thanks for the excellent help.
I was stalled before, now I can continue.
CD

[SillyMe]

Here’s a few tricks I've picked up;

When you’re at the courthouse to file, ask questions, visiting FLIC, etc. Take this as an opportunity to look at the docket for the day. Sometimes you can find the docket from the day before as well. Write down a few of the FL case numbers. These you can use in the future and "sign out" at your next visit. Chances of retrieving those files on that day are usually slim because, those files would be needed for court that day(only really useful on your next visit). Look at where the cases are in the procedures; CC, SC, Trial etc. You can make photo copies of anything in those files. If you go often enough you might get lucky and, see a case where your opposing lawyer is involved. There is much to be gleaned from doing so; lawyers/law clerks are lazy and will cut and paste from other cases, is the lawyer lazy, disorganized, etc. All the free true examples you need...mind you, Conference Briefs & Settlement Briefs are normally discarded after the appearances but, sometimes not right away. Normal FL court cases are open; CAS cases are not.

[CycleDad]

Sillyme,

Wow what a great idea. I'm at the FLIC quite often, despite the 3 hour wait for 10min of time. I will do just that. Great advice! The documents are public after all.

THe dockets usually include what the meeting is about such as trial, conference, to be spoken to, motion to change....

CD.