14C confirmation

[podric]

What are the rules around a 14C confirmation:


A DRO CC date may be set by judge and may be in conflict with a medical appointment for child just made that I can't change without it bringing up a lengthy delay that reduces the effectiveness of treatment.
I am told I cannot contact the judge.
I go to all the medial appointments, especially these that are important.



If the judge gives a date that conflicts with the medical appointment.
The ex agreed to change the date; her lawyer will not respond and when they do they will decline or wait until the last days. If I file my materials on time they will be of poor quality.

Do I file a 14C right away or a motion?

[rockscan]

The confirmation is to show you will be at the conference. Do you have a date yet? If not, you could try the clerk and let them know the date of your appointment won’t work. Otherwise I have a feeling the court will say they are more important than the doctor. My husband was called for jury duty the week of his settlement conference and he had to get out of the jury duty to appear in family court.

[podric]

A clerk is not about to correct a judge's endorsement.



This is not not jury duty.



The judge would not book the date if they knew of the appointment, the purpose and the consequence of not going but they may make it not knowing.

[podric]

Maybe there is another way to do this or maybe I don't have to do anything at all but I need to be prepared if I have to get this fixed.

[rockscan]

Your posts are very confusing in that they involve things that haven’t happened yet.

You have obviously filed your motion to change but have you had your first appearance where they set the date for the first conference? Or have you had that and you HAVE a date? Or you have already had a DRO and you are waiting for the next conference?

If you haven’t even been given a date to appear then you are worrying for nothing. Before COVID there was an in person first appearance where they set the date for the first conference. I have no idea how they are doing it now. Maybe zoom, maybe they give you the date. You can let them know then that the date will not work for you due to a medical appointment but again, they may not accept it.

I used jury duty as an example since not appearing is illegal. Not appearing for a doctors appointment is not.

[podric]

I do not see the relevance of the above post, any of it. This is not rocket science.



It is a question about getting a case conference rescheduled in the event that a judge writes an endorsement for it to be a on a certain day.
An endorsement a judge would likely not have given if they had known there was a medical appointment that if not kept resulted in a delay for surgery for a child and that surgery delay could reduce the effect of the surgery.

This may help: At worst the court has to resceduled 6 weeks later it is a DRO CC


any one else that isn't taking a wild guess?

[rockscan]

Im not taking a wild guess and the fact that you are overthinking this demonstrates your lack of understanding of what is and isn’t relevant. You keep throwing out hypotheticals and expecting to get a direct answer. It is not irrelevant to ask IF you have had a conference or IF you have had your first appearance. Both of those facts are relevant to answering your question.

Normally one or both parties are part of determining a schedule. If you were a lawyer you would have several other cases and can’t attend one date over the other. Do you think a lawyer would agree to a date when he’s got a trial going on? No. The lawyer’s assistant would go back to the clerk and say “we have xyz dates available, what have you got.” Or if a date is given to the moving party, the responding party can say they aren’t available, give us some other dates.

Wait until you hear about scheduling the date and go from there. If the doctor’s appointment is more important than a date with the court to deal with your child support matter you are so intent on getting fixed urgently then your priorities need to be determined.

[rockscan]

This might help: https://www.ontario.ca/document/guid...ourt#section-2

[podric]

If anyone else can handle my question without getting all confused, snide and blaming me for it I would like to hear from you.
I could file a motion
,I could put in a 14C (when might I hear back from that?)
,I could ask the other lawyer but they are "difficult"



thank you.


Mini-rant:
I don't want to find out I have to cancel only to find out the next appointment after that is now 6 months later instead of 4 and then have that date cancelled again because of COVID concerns. May as well cancel surgery too bad kid I had to go to court for some bullshit case conference.
What pisses me off is people say it hasn't happened yet but when it does they say "that is unfortunate"...total assholes.

[podric]

This might help: https://www.ontario.ca/document/guid...ourt#section-2

not in helpful even in the least.

[rockscan]

Probably because you don’t understand the process and rather than actually thinking through it, you are the one getting snide.

If you are filing a 14C you are confirming you will be attending a motion on a specific date. Item 3 on the form specifically has the DATE OF THE HEARING. If you don’t have a date you don’t file the 14c. The point of the form is to figure out what the issues are and how much time it will take so the judge can call up the cases.

Has the court given you a date? If they haven’t given you a date you don’t file the 14C.

Judges don’t sit in chambers filling out dates haphazardly. Not to mention many courts have set days for certain procedures like a conference. You aren’t going to get a notification with a date set out that you can’t change.

No one else has answered because they a) can’t understand you or b) don’t have an answer because you don’t have a date.

If you are so worried about this, go to the clerks desk and ask them your question which they would be able to answer because they have the calendar.

And if you think this is snide, good luck with a judge who won’t hesitate to point out issues.

[podric]

At this point I don't trust Rockscan to be correct as they messed up on my other simple process question and accosted the person that showed them wrong and are behaving the same way here by going on tangents and making up scenarios which they use as a platform to attack.
Besides it sounds like a rant not an answer.



If anyone else can handle my question without getting all confused, snide and blaming me for it I would like to hear from you. Oh, and attacking me. Yeah, that isn't helpful. Thank you!

[StillPaying]

The first time you'll see a judge is after your cc so it's not a judge booking it, it's the clerk. Speak to the clerk then the other lawyer. Reschedule.

[podric]

Thank you. I will add clarity.


I haven't seen a judge but a judge was asked to set the same single date by other party via procedural motion.

[blinkandimgone]

What are the rules around a 14C confirmation:


A DRO CC date may be set by judge and may be in conflict with a medical appointment for child just made that I can't change without it bringing up a lengthy delay that reduces the effectiveness of treatment.
I am told I cannot contact the judge.
I go to all the medial appointments, especially these that are important.



If the judge gives a date that conflicts with the medical appointment.
The ex agreed to change the date; her lawyer will not respond and when they do they will decline or wait until the last days. If I file my materials on time they will be of poor quality.

Do I file a 14C right away or a motion?

If you have a date scheduled and you absolutely cannot make it, you would contact the coordinator and request a change.

If you don't have a date scheduled, you can contact them and let them know that you are not available that day - presumably the other parent would not be available either if the child has an appointment that you would both be at.

If your ex has agreed and her lawyer is not responding, it's likely because she gave a different response to her lawyer or has not given her lawyer direction.

Why would your documents be of poor quality? You should be prepared to attend on your original date, it has nothing to do with the medical appointment. It doesn't sound like you even have a date set yet, so you've got lots of time to get your documents prepared whether you end up with a change of dates or not.

You wouldn't file a 14C confirming if you don't have a date yet, or if you cannot attend on the set date if there is one.

It's very difficult to answer your questions when something may or may not be set, may or may not be happening and may or may not have happened yet. That's a lot of hypothetical stuff. Either your date is set or it isn't. If it isn't, then if you really wanted to, you could contact them ahead of time about your availability, or just wait until the date is set you'd even know if you have to change anything.

Getting wrapped up about minor issues that may or may not happen doesn't help you, especially at this early stage. If you get this wrapped up now, you might consider getting a lawyer to help you for when things are substantially more complicated later.