12 yr old choosing residence

[cranberry]

How much weight is given to a 12 yr old wanting to live with the other parent?

We had a private parenting assessment a few years ago, 2028-ish. Would another one be ordered? My ex requested and paid for it. We were both found equally wanting.

Thanks!

[Tayken]

How much weight is given to a 12 yr old wanting to live with the other parent?

We had a private parenting assessment a few years ago, 2028-ish. Would another one be ordered? My ex requested and paid for it. We were both found equally wanting.

Thanks!

14 is the age really where they will really consider their opinion generally. There is no hard-fast rule per-say.

[Janus]

Hopefully, not much weight at all. A 12 year old should not be in a scenario where the child is required to choose between the parents.

[Kkc]

Wow this a powerhouse thread with these guys replying


Imagine an 8 year old being groomed to choose.

I haven't had my daughter since Jan 16th despite supposed to Fri to Monday.
My daughter own words...I have a wonderful mom and grandma and a terrible dad and one day you are going to realize how you treated me.

...poor girl

I asked her yesterday while on FaceTime with my son if she wanted to go to New York for a weekend with me and she said why would I want to go anywhere with you

I btrought her flowers and plushy for Valentine's day, she basically said these flowers r trash and kept trying to throw then out of the house

I'm sure the fact that

she is being told that I tried to get her grandma in jail

The ex broadcasting my text message during a handover (basically asking her to help with the transition) through the car and when I came out saying "you need to be careful what you text because they heard it" while my daughter is chastising me

Telling the kids my house isn't safe and she won't go near it

..all have nothing to do with it...I swear my address is area 51 bc I feel like an alien

[rockscan]

Kkc what happened with the CAS investigation? Do you have a new court date for your ongoing matter? Have you spoken with a psychologist or therapist?

Cranberry, at 12 they won’t have a say and a judge will more than likely get OCL involved or look at the root of the matter more fully. You should also look into some therapy including some for yourself on how to manage the situation.


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[cranberry]

Rockscan -- the three of us are in counseling regarding our situation. Our kids can quote quite a few clauses in our order, not due to me. Yesterday, after trying to explain we just don't know what a judge would say, he fired back at me, "You're just saying that cuz your lawyer told you that. I know I can decide on my birthday!" Ugh...facepalm!

My ex asked for and was granted a private assessment which ran from fall 2018 - Spring 2019. Would another report from OCL be ordered after such a short timeframe?

[cranberry]

KKC -- I feel for you! My house is apparently ground zero for Covid! My kids were withheld when things went diwn the drain ladt year. Thankfully, when finally returned, they resigned themselves to following the schedule. But, in that time they have run away from me, refused to come out of their rooms, threw hard and soft objects at me, and one night absolutely destroyed the main level of our house. One forced the insude garage door so far in the wrong direction, he ripped the screws from the swing bar right out of the metal door! Its been a living hell.

[rockscan]

Your kids need some counseling. Call your local family service about free sessions.


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[cranberry]

Rockscan -- they are in counseling. They have admitted they went to extreme behaviour hoping I would eventually give up and agree to let them live with their dad permanently. Keep telling them I am not going anywhere!

[Tayken]

My ex asked for and was granted a private assessment which ran from fall 2018 - Spring 2019. Would another report from OCL be ordered after such a short timeframe?

If you had a private assessment ordered by the court (in Ontario) that falls under Section 30 of the CLRA. Once you start down the private assessment path you will remain on it. The court may order an update to the Section 30 assessment but, who pays for it will need to be figured out etc. You would need to either agree on consent to the update to the private assessment or have a court order it.

Hopefully you have a proper assessor that is qualified to do an assessment under Section 30.

[Tayken]

KKC -- I feel for you! My house is apparently ground zero for Covid! My kids were withheld when things went diwn the drain ladt year. Thankfully, when finally returned, they resigned themselves to following the schedule. But, in that time they have run away from me, refused to come out of their rooms, threw hard and soft objects at me, and one night absolutely destroyed the main level of our house. One forced the insude garage door so far in the wrong direction, he ripped the screws from the swing bar right out of the metal door! Its been a living hell.

Hopefully you have proper legal counsel. If you do have a Section 30 (private assessor) you should be bringing a motion for an update to the report and for the assessor to meet with the children to provide a view to the court. Ultimately, you have every opportunity to bring the needed attention to your file and professionals but, it all costs money. Lots of it. A proper Section 30 assessment is around 80,000 and on top of that the legal costs are well over 130,000++ for a complex situation that you are describing.

Unless you do what WorkingDad (a previous forum member) did and become one of the most competent unrepresented litigants to ever face the court.

https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/do...1onsc6451.html

https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/do...1onsc7476.html

https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/do...14onsc915.html

https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/do...5onsc3684.html

[Tayken]

Wow this a powerhouse thread with these guys replying

Sorry you feel this way.

Imagine an 8 year old being groomed to choose.

Imagine a parent hiring competent legal counsel and following their advice and bringing the appropriate cogent and relevant evidence before the court and how fast the problem could be resolved.

I haven't had my daughter since Jan 16th despite supposed to Fri to Monday.

So when has your lawyer scheduled the emergency motion for? You should be motioning for the return of the children in accordance with the agreement/order or to have a residency schedule put in place.

Non action is going to get you nowhere. You should be moving this matter forward and you should have a good lawyer guiding you through this.

[cranberry]

Thank you for the links to Working Dads ordeal. He's a hero for sure. Unfortunately, I cannot do what he did.

[Tayken]

Thank you for the links to Working Dads ordeal. He's a hero for sure. Unfortunately, I cannot do what he did.

But, your realization that you can't do it is very important as well. Many people have come here thinking they could do it and fail horribly and make their situation even worse.

This is where lawyers are important. But, it becomes a very expensive ordeal. Imagine the challenge that WorkingDad had with the other parent having unlimited funds from Legal Aid Ontario.

Now, since this case hit LAO doesn't blindly fund family law files. LAO has clipped the wings of many over-funded civil (family law) files.

[vocalfather]

But, your realization that you can't do it is very important as well. Many people have come here thinking they could do it and fail horribly and make their situation even worse.

This is where lawyers are important. But, it becomes a very expensive ordeal. Imagine the challenge that WorkingDad had with the other parent having unlimited funds from Legal Aid Ontario.

Now, since this case hit LAO doesn't blindly fund family law files. LAO has clipped the wings of many over-funded civil (family law) files.

What Tayken shared is spot on. Sadly, I’ve been dragged back to court but LAO has not funded my X again. My X had to pushback to get the trial funded before and they aren’t willing to go down that road again.


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