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  • DontGiveUp
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    OCL Lawyer Questions

    Is there some standard questions that OCL lawyers typically ask you in an interview?

    I wanted the OCL involved and to do an assessment because of wild claims my ex made in her court documents about my parenting and how the children feel around me, and because I am concerned she is coaching them or beginning parental alienation.

    Because of that I asked the OCL Lawyer if I could be present at his office when she brought the children in for their interview because I fear otherwise already a biased process, the kids go to the appointment with their Mom, know their Mom only is out there waiting, they aren't going to talk openly and honestly about their Mom. The lawyer said absolutely not. That the standard proceedure is she brings them in once, I bring them in once.

    My concern is, the lawyer is not going to ask the children the same questions both days, what if on the day she is there, he asked the kids if they want to spend more time with me or not. I think the answer will be reflected on who the one parent is who brought them there and is waiting for them. Your thoughts or experience?

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  • baldclub
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    Originally posted by DontGiveUp View Post
    Love your insights and feedback baldclub, just wonder what the judge then awarded you at your trial? Self-representing myself and was packaged off from work in the process as I try and pursue shared custody, somd joint decision making and 50/50 time sharing. Feeling a little deflated and concerned about the unemployed angle at the moment.
    Trial was avoided and agreement was reached between us, for whatever reasons I'll probably never know. Just speculation. We agreed to a 50/50 week about schedule.

    Your goal, in my total honest opinion, should only be to be a fully equal parent in all senses: decision-making and 'time sharing'. No more, no less. You will need to be able to support the children somehow, this is in the rules, whether from employment, spousal support or whatever. Have a very detailed plan for every contingency.

    Work your ass off to achieve this, and don't let anyone tell you you can't do it. Yourself included.

    Good luck.

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  • involveddad75
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    Sorry don't take offence, the post about being off topic was directed at more people than just you.
    I created the thread to be a go to point or quick reference to get answers.
    If you have a question regarding the topic then by all means ask away (in another thread) then once we get a good answer someone can post the information in the Reference Thread.

    Before I created it, I found it increasingly hard to get answers on OCL and assessors and people were emailing me on the topic because they couldn't find answers either. Because there was so much discussion on it.

    When there is so much to read in all the threads people get overwhelmed.

    By placing the key points in one thread without discussion we create a reference point for asking more questions, which in turn can be added to the reference thread.

    That's all my thoughts were. nothing personal.

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  • Qrious
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    My apologies. The thread title reads, "Tips for Dealing with OCL and Private Assessors." I thought this might include OCL. Sorry, I will not post here any more about OCL.

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  • involveddad75
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    Again I think this is again off topic, the tread was a guide for dealing with assessors, not OCL lawyers.

    Perhaps we should start another thread. Before this thread gets so long that people won't read it.

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  • FrustratedPartner
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    Hey, when it is accepted they send both sides a letter letting them know that. If one counsel gets the letter and can see that the other side was not cc'd, then he/she has to let them know. That happened in our case.

    I just re-read the letter that OCL sent and interestingly, they note that opportunities to settle the issues may arise and the investigator may suggest ways in resolving the issues. This has not happened yet in our case and it doesn't seem to be a theme on this thread.

    Has anyone had an investigator suggest ways to resolve issues?

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  • Qrious
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    Rumour has it that OCL is taking our case. So... I may have more to contribute to this thread shortly.

    I'll start with: the application deadline was July 27, 2013, so I can only assume that both applications (mine and Xs) were sent in by that date.

    Apparently Xs lawyer believes the case was accepted, but my lawyer knows nothing about it. Geesh.

    I'll keep you posted.

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  • involveddad75
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    I think we are not off topic.

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  • DontGiveUp
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    We have a term in our separation that we agree to joint decision make on any extraordinary and special expenditures. She ignores this term of the agreement.

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  • DontGiveUp
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    I thought so too.

    My ex is refusing to have a discussion with me on a section 7 expenditure item first before enrolling. I went to her lawyer and her response was well since the OCL has decided to get involved I will defer to them for their investigation/recommendation? That was her solution, so does the child sit in limbo now on the sect 7 expenditure because Mom won't have a discussion like an adult would and I don't get the lawyer's response, a lawyer has been appointed for the children, not an assessor necesarily. Isn't it up to the lawyer to determine if an assessor is to be involved as well?

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  • FrustratedPartner
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    HI: I am a bit confused...don't all OCL cases go through a clinical investigator?

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  • DontGiveUp
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    How can I say to the kids that a judge will order equal time for the children with both. That is what I am pursuing but no guarantee and especially if the kids have been coached, brainwashed, alienated, and that leads the OCL Lawyer to report the children are happy with the ways things are or even worse don't want to spend time or more time with me? And I won't know until court what the lawyer is presenting so how to combat that?

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  • involveddad75
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    Originally posted by DontGiveUp View Post
    Received a response from the OCL. They've taken the case and are appointing a lawyer to represent the children. This is not what I wanted, I wanted an assessment that I could challenge at trial if I did not like. My ex is making wild claims about me as a parent and as to how the children feel around me / with me? What if she has coached them or alienated me and they tell the lawyer what she has claimed? I can't cross examine the OCL lawyer at trial correct? So now no third party report but rather a lawyer for children who may have been coached / scared into saying what my ex wants them to say.
    I knew that a lawyer would be appointed, you can explain to your children that a judge will order equal time with both parents, but I wouldn't say much more.

    You can google advocacy for children, and give them materials, on that. But don't coach children and don't involve them in adult conflict.

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  • DontGiveUp
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    Received a response from the OCL. They've taken the case and are appointing a lawyer to represent the children. This is not what I wanted, I wanted an assessment that I could challenge at trial if I did not like. My ex is making wild claims about me as a parent and as to how the children feel around me / with me? What if she has coached them or alienated me and they tell the lawyer what she has claimed? I can't cross examine the OCL lawyer at trial correct? So now no third party report but rather a lawyer for children who may have been coached / scared into saying what my ex wants them to say.

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  • DontGiveUp
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    Children are not 12 and 9 and were not at the time of the judge's order, they are soon though. Judge did order both a s.89 and a s.112. I have not heard a decision from the OCL on the matter as of yet. Realy I want to see an assessment as I have concerns of "coaching" or alienation by the other party and they like your case made some very damanging claims about me and about me as a parent and have no evidence to support unless they've coached the children to say and feel that way.

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