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Old 08-21-2017, 11:36 AM
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Is a summer camp a special expense considered childcare (can be used as a childcare claim on taxes), an extraordinary expense, or neither and possible agreed to via a 50/50 split of cost (assuming both parent are working/school)?
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Old 08-21-2017, 11:45 AM
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Would the child be in daycare anyway? If yes then its considered daycare. Some camps cost less than daycare.

Its normally split as section 7.

You need to ask yourself if its worth the fight costs. If you were paying $200 for daycare that week and the camp is $200 then its realistic to consider it as section 7. You calculate it the same with the net cost used.
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Old 08-21-2017, 12:10 PM
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Only need childcare during summer as otherwise in school. It would be in replacement of daycare, and trying to fill other summer weeks with grandparents, parent vacation, etc.
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Old 01-25-2018, 01:21 AM
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We are to be week-on-week-off. Iím thinking to put in SA that summer camp costs are to be borne 100% by the parent who would be responsible for their care that week. Has anyone else done that?
In my situation S7 costs will be very heavily paid by me and based on experience she will prefer to have kids in camp even though she is working only 2-3 days per week.
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:39 PM
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You should look at it this way:

Would the children be in daycare those days? If yes then agree to it, if no then consider the ďextraordinaryĒ aspect. What is the cost of ccamp in light of child support. If its $200 and she receives more than $600 per month, I would question it being s7.

There are plenty of summer camps that are cheap. If shes enrolling them in $1500 a week camp then you can say no. But remember what it does to your kids. If shes unreasonable then she will tell them about the camp ahead of time and tell them you said no.
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:52 PM
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Of course on a case-by-case basis I will review and likely end up paying the majority (I loved summer camp and have been clear to the kids that itís an experience they will be afforded and I expect they will enjoy. They love ďThe Parent TrapĒ movie - imagine that) I feel it doesnít need to be said that I wonít deprive my kids, you make a good point about how she can skew kidsí perception to create blame. Itís a common tactic by her and was one of my main straws that broke this camelís back.

Iím just trying to get something in SA that can clearly protect me from unreasonable expenses without a battle. Another thought Iíve had has been that 1 week of summer camp per child can be S7 and any additional should be considered 100% at custodial parentís expense. Or even easier can just say all daycare and summer camps must be mutually agreed before registration and all costs are to be shared 50/50 (since Iím looking at 1700 per month offset CS this seems fair to me). Music lessons and sports will still be S7 and paid proportionately.
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Old 01-25-2018, 01:11 PM
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Theres no point in breaking it down like that because she can come back and call out the s7 guidelines. Save yourself the trouble and just have the clause that all decisions will be discussed between the parties first and agreed to in writing before hand.

My partner thought he had an iron clad agreement but his ex played her games and used it against him. It became a case of the kids wanting something, her promising it to them, coming to him for his share and then blaming him when the answer was no. His income was 1/3 hers and he could not afford it. Then she couldnt afford it because she agreed to pay the other kids university expenses.

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Old 01-25-2018, 02:39 PM
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Is it standard in 50/50 custody with offset CS that daycare expenses are 50/50 or are they split as an S7?
Iím leery of S7 since I need to impute income to STBX to make up for under the table earnings. Iím ok with S7 with a fair income split but if itís an NOA income split Iíll be paying through the nose.
So far we look like weíre progressing toward a functional co-parenting relationship and I donít want to risk that (from my perspective as well as hers).
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If you have her income imputed already, it should cover all purposes (offset CS and s7 calculations).


As for summer camps, perhaps you could put a cap on amounts?


"Summer camps will be s7 for any week in which both parents have to work and are unable to care for the child. Should a summer camp fee exceed $X and the parents not both agree on enrollment in advance, any amount exceeding $X will be covered entirely by the parent whose access week it is."


That way, you only have to pay for summer camps that are needed because you are both working, and if one parent chooses a super-expensive summer camp, the other parent isn't on the hook for any part of the fee that exceeds a reasonable amount. You could choose X to be an average summer camp fee amount, or the max you'd be willing to pay, etc.
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Old 01-25-2018, 04:39 PM
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Oh wait your ex runs an in home day care correct? Camp would be section 7 then not required for day care so you can use your discretion on saying yes or no which she needs to get prior to considering it section 7.

I would be pre-emptive and look at camps your kids may be interested in that fall on your weeks and look at enrolling them then tell the ex sorry youíve maxed out your camp budget for the summer!


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