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Old 04-09-2014, 12:52 AM
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Default Unbelievable.... I nearly threw up!!!

Every man must read this....

The simple truth about why the law is so harsh and
biased against men... It finally makes sense ....

And I nearly threw up when I read it.....

Child support and Kickbacks

And to think that men are okay with this system
makes me really wonder how dumb we men really
are.

Bof....
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:24 AM
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''Child Support Recipients do not receive anything from the court saying how the money should be spent, so they can do whatever they want with it. And since records do not have to be kept, they can legally destroy any evidence that could show the money really went to new cars, cosmetic surgery, jewelry, or was given to new boyfriends, while their children's needs were being ignored. And as long as the evidence to dispute it does not exist, the payor has no way to contest it, yet recipients and politicians can keep claiming that they need even more money from the fathers.''

Oh please! This is BS of the worst kind - I know plenty of CS recipients and not one of them is living it up as claimed in this article - most are just getting by. Also your article is based on US statistics and legislature.
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:48 AM
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Every man must read this....

The simple truth about why the law is so harsh and
biased against men... It finally makes sense ....

And I nearly threw up when I read it.....

Child support and Kickbacks

And to think that men are okay with this system
makes me really wonder how dumb we men really
are.

Bof....
It doesn't surprise me

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Old 04-09-2014, 09:18 AM
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I believe the article is almost 10 yrs old is it not?

It would take quite the stretch of one's imagination to believe that all US judges make child custody rulings simply to kickback money to the individual state and deny fathers rights across the board. This reads like pre-election propaganda.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:51 AM
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Before we knock this article people, you
may do some investigation of your own.

Why don't ye all do a google search
With the following words:

"Judges states kickbacks child support 2013"

You will be surprised at how many recent
articles/UTUBE videos you will find on
the subject.

This needs to he investigated...
The following questions need to be answered
with either a yes or a no.... And not with
a "I doubt this happens".

- Does the federal governments give
monterey incentives to the state based
on the amounts of child support
being granted >> y/n

-If the above is yes, then to whom and
how is this money distributed ???

-And finally does this money end up
in added salaries (kickbacks) for
judges, lawyers and child support
officials? >> y/n

Do you realize that if any of
the above questions are true,
this so called child support law is
based on a scam that makes
judges overlook and neglect the
well being of the non custodial
parent so long as they grant the
highest child support payments
possible in order to raise their
own kickbacks.

If it works in the US, I am pretty sure it
works the same way world wide ....
Lets not be gulable here.

In any case, to me, all of this biased divorce
law against men stuff was deemed as ridiculous.
Think about it, why would the non
custodial parent ( usually the father ) be expected
to pay CS payments BASED on their earnings ???
This never made sense until now.
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Old 04-09-2014, 11:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Concerned View Post
Before we knock this article people, you
may do some investigation of your own.

Why don't ye all do a google search
With the following words:

"Judges states kickbacks child support"

You will be surprised at how many recent
articles/UTUBE videos you will find on
the subject.

This needs to he investigated...
The following questions need to be answered
with either a yes or a no.... And not with
a "I doubt this happens".

- Does the federal governments give
monterey incentives to the state based
on the amounts of child support
being granted >> y/n

-If the above is yes, then to whom and
how is this money distributed ???

-And finally does this money end up
in added salaries (kickbacks) for
judges, lawyers and child support
officials? >> y/n

Do you realize that if any of
the above questions are true,
this so called child support law is
based on a scam that makes
judges overlook and neglect the
well being of the non custodial
parent so long as they grant the
highest child support payments
possible in order to raise their
own kickbacks.

If it works in the US, I am pretty sure it
works the same way world wide ....
Lets not be gulable here.

In any case, to me, all of this biased divorce
law against men stuff pretty much makes
sense now. Think about it, fathers are expected
to pay very high CS payments based on their
earnings which oronicly would be total acceptable
to me if I were a Judge!!
I think I know who in this thread is truly gullible.

The salaries of judges and most public officials are very well known, and published. Getting kickbacks would violate all the codes of conduct that law societies and governments have.

We live in a democracy where parties fight it out to win popularity. If what you suggest was actually the case, some politician would have run it up the flag pole and pushed to get legislation in place to stop it.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:03 PM
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So here's another article with a link which demonstrates how the incentive payments are distributed:

State incentive to collect child support : Bigger piece of Federal funds pie | Leon Koziol.Com

And besides the point, how do we really know what's going on behind closed doors... Are you a judge, are you a lawyer, are you part of the court house financial management team, and even if you were, would someone holding these occupations really tell the truth. I could be wrong, but something tells me otherwise. There is too many complaints, too many lob sided and unexplained divorce law judgments which simply point to these articles holding the motive for their malicious intentions against men.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:17 PM
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I am in that field. There is no such thing. Judges do not, in any way shape or form, receive ANY benefit from ordering child support. In fact, they have a lot to lose should they ever receive a kick-back for issuing an order, like their job and criminal charges.

A kick-back by definition, is a bribe. Bribing a public official is illegal.

The government requires c/s to be paid as it is in the child's best interests, and the interests of society as a whole. It puts the responsibility on those it rightly should be, the parents, and not the general public who would likely otherwise have to bear the costs through subsidies, welfare and increased taxes.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:19 PM
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So here's another article with a link which demonstrates how the incentive payments are distributed:

State incentive to collect child support : Bigger piece of Federal funds pie | Leon Koziol.Com

And besides the point, how do we really know what's going on behind closed doors... Are you a judge, are you a lawyer, are you part of the court house financial management team, and even if you were, would someone holding these occupations really tell the truth. I could be wrong, but something tells me otherwise. There is too many complaints, too many lob sided and unexplained divorce law judgments which simply point to these articles holding the motive for their malicious intentions against men.
... and don't forget CAS, OCL, interim places/shelters are all part of the same biased system.

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Old 04-09-2014, 02:30 PM
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A few things to note. Direct Kickbacks are stupid that doesn't happen. There is an indirect kickback though.
-33% of court cases in Canada are family law cases (i.e: work for judges)
-historically, judges are pretty much untouchable (i.e: they DONT have a lot to lose)
-the whole taxation, child support, spousal support scheme is made to:
a) ensure nobody is on welfare (costing state money)
b) maximizing tax collection
c) has no regards for the payor
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