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  • Jian Ghomeshi - Ruling (Not Guilty On All Accounts)

    I have only skimmed this so far. Will comment in more detail later.

    Jian Ghomeshi not guilty of all charges

  • #2
    This was a predictable conclusion IMO - lying witnesses.

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    • #3
      Actual National Post link:

      Jian Ghomeshi found not guilty on all charges as judge acquits him of sexual assault, choking | National Post

      “The act of suppression of the truth will be as damaging to their credibility as a direct lie under oath,” Horkins said.
      “(She) was clearly playing chicken with the justice system,” Horkins said. “She was prepared to tell half the truth for as long as she thought she could get away with it.”

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      • #4
        it is not a domestic violence case though, there was absolutely nothing "domestic" about this charges or the "relationships" the charges arose from.

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        • #5
          It isn't over for him yet though.

          https://ca.yahoo.com/news/blogs/dail...155658263.html

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          • #6
            IMO it will be a gong show and nothing more than a publicity stunt for the actresses et al.

            Toronto defence lawyer Joseph Neuberger expects the Crown would be concerned about what any witnesses didn’t tell them, but even if the Crown gets more information before the second trial, it would have to be disclosed to the defence.

            More waste of tax-payors money IMO

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            • #7
              I absolutely think Jian is a creep and guilty, his lawyer is awesome at schooling everyone in Law 101.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XB5fG7gbZ0

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              • #8
                The last complainant, Kathryn Borel – quite brilliant, really.

                Ghomeshi looked quite content with himself as he entered the court house yesterday, to enter his plea bargain and admit some vague apology for sexual misconduct.

                I’m sure neither he nor Henein had considered that, immediately following the plea, Borel might appear on the front steps of the court house, and would publicly and crushingly re-accuse him for not only assaulting her, but also condemn him for assaulting 20 others. All of his hard work trying to recoup his professional reputation in the last year, all of his efforts to rebrand himself, all gone in one fell swoop.

                His only recourse is to sue her for slander, in civil court, and at that point he loses all protections offered to him under the criminal court system. And he’d face a judge who would determine the case on the balance of probabilities, rather than ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’. I wonder what he will do.

                Well played, Borel, well played.
                Start a discussion, not a fire. Post with kindness.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mcdreamy View Post
                  The last complainant, Kathryn Borel – quite brilliant, really.

                  Ghomeshi looked quite content with himself as he entered the court house yesterday, to enter his plea bargain and admit some vague apology for sexual misconduct.

                  I’m sure neither he nor Henein had considered that, immediately following the plea, Borel might appear on the front steps of the court house, and would publicly and crushingly re-accuse him for not only assaulting her, but also condemn him for assaulting 20 others. All of his hard work trying to recoup his professional reputation in the last year, all of his efforts to rebrand himself, all gone in one fell swoop.

                  His only recourse is to sue her for slander, in civil court, and at that point he loses all protections offered to him under the criminal court system. And he’d face a judge who would determine the case on the balance of probabilities, rather than ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’. I wonder what he will do.

                  Well played, Borel, well played.
                  Actually if you do some simply searches on Google you will find out why the crown dropped the charges. Borel went on record on a bunch of blogs and those silly podcasts and basically admitted to some stuff that would have made her look worse than the previous complainants.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf1FWOETBAA

                  Excellent listen. Read the articles linked on this youtube.

                  Good Luck!
                  Tayken

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                  • #10
                    I didn't Want to say anything (my point has been proven) but mcdreamy's post smacks of a person completely deluded by reality but I think we all knew that...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tayken View Post
                      Actually if you do some simply searches on Google you will find out why the crown dropped the charges. Borel went on record on a bunch of blogs and those silly podcasts and basically admitted to some stuff that would have made her look worse than the previous complainants.
                      The Crown didn’t drop the case - it agreed to withdraw the charge of sexual assault and settle the case after negotiations with the solicitor for the accused, in exchange for the accused delivering a written apology and signing a peace bond.

                      The Crown might very well have lacked confidence it its initial case, but we’ll never know (despite the blogs). We’ll also never know why Henein thought it wise to negotiate and advise her client to admit culpability and settle vis-à-vis an apology/peace bond (despite the blogs). Personally, I think she made a strategic error.

                      But now that Ghomeshi has admitted sexually inappropriate behavior (in lieu of another trial, where he might have easily been acquitted), the court of public opinion will prevail.

                      And he won’t easily rescue his reputation moving forward. Now there’s a good dose of reality and, all in all, success for Borel.

                      Good Luck!
                      McD
                      Start a discussion, not a fire. Post with kindness.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tayken View Post
                        Actually if you do some simply searches on Google you will find out why the crown dropped the charges. Borel went on record on a bunch of blogs and those silly podcasts and basically admitted to some stuff that would have made her look worse than the previous complainants.

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf1FWOETBAA

                        Excellent listen. Read the articles linked on this youtube.

                        Good Luck!
                        Tayken
                        I doubt Borel's "admissions" had anything to do with the charges being dropped. Clearly Ghomeshi's lawyer didn't want this matter to go to trial and so basically handed Borel's team the victory - Ghomeshi acknowledges inappropriate sexual conduct and apologizes publicly. He doesn't get a criminal record but he admits that he harassed this woman. It's going to be difficult for him to play the "poor man victimized by vindictive females" card after this.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mcdreamy View Post
                          The Crown didn’t drop the case - it agreed to withdraw the charge of sexual assault and settle the case after negotiations with the solicitor for the accused, in exchange for the accused delivering a written apology and signing a peace bond.
                          1. They dropped the charges.
                          2. Peace bonds are better described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_bond

                          A peace bond is issued when the crown is strongly convinced that no guilt has happened. A person does not plead guilty when they enter into a peace bond. There is no finding of guilt made or conviction registered if a person agrees to a peace bond.
                          No guilt.

                          Originally posted by mcdreamy View Post
                          The Crown might very well have lacked confidence it its initial case, but we’ll never know (despite the blogs).
                          We know that they dropped the charges. That was all you needed to know. Dropping the charges means they didn't have evidence.

                          Originally posted by mcdreamy View Post
                          We’ll also never know why Henein thought it wise to negotiate and advise her client to admit culpability and settle vis-à-vis an apology/peace bond (despite the blogs). Personally, I think she made a strategic error.
                          Again, you are incorrect. A peace bond is not an admission to guilt or "culpability". You may have interpreted that but, it is simply because you are not informed.

                          Domestic assault charges and peace bonds: think twice

                          They went for a peace bond because it would avoid a trial for which they could not collect costs on. (Criminal vs civil - you can't go after the crown for your costs.) Jian's lawyer charges probably 1,500 a day. You do the math. Get a peace bond no admission to guilt and save 150,000 in legal fees you will never get back? It was a great move on their part.

                          Originally posted by mcdreamy View Post
                          But now that Ghomeshi has admitted sexually inappropriate behavior (in lieu of another trial, where he might have easily been acquitted), the court of public opinion will prevail.
                          He didn't. That is your interpretation of what happened.

                          Originally posted by mcdreamy View Post
                          And he won’t easily rescue his reputation moving forward. Now there’s a good dose of reality and, all in all, success for Borel.
                          Borel will be unemployed for a very long time. As well as all the other idiots involved in this case. Not just Jian.

                          Good Luck!
                          Tayken

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stripes View Post
                            I doubt Borel's "admissions" had anything to do with the charges being dropped.
                            Crown learned their lesson that if someone admits to being a bully at work to others then accuses someone of being one too that the "you can't blow hot and cold at the same time" applies. Simple legal principal.

                            Originally posted by stripes View Post
                            Clearly Ghomeshi's lawyer didn't want this matter to go to trial
                            Lawyers take instruction from their clients. Remember? Or does the good advice we give people on this website go out the window just for this matter? Suffice to say, it was a matter of money that they took the peace bond offer. At probably 1,500 a day Ghomeshi would be on the hook for 150,000 in legals probably just to get the same result. Not guilty. Read up on peace bonds... Then come back and debate the topic when you are educated on the subject.

                            Originally posted by stripes View Post
                            and so basically handed Borel's team the victory
                            Borel was the complainant in the matter. The team is the "crown". The team gave up because her evidence was awful. They settled out into a peace bond. (Read the wikipedia at least before responding with nonsense.)

                            The crown put their heads between their legs on this one before they ended up looking like social media controlled idiots.

                            Originally posted by stripes View Post
                            Ghomeshi acknowledges inappropriate sexual conduct and apologizes publicly. He doesn't get a criminal record but he admits that he harassed this woman. It's going to be difficult for him to play the "poor man victimized by vindictive females" card after this.
                            Listen to the tape of Borel admitting to similar conduct at work. (RE: Using sexual innuendo to bully people at the CBC and her being disciplined for it.)

                            The sauce that is good for the goose is good for the gander. They were both inappropriate. New media people and pop culture idiots have all learned that a workplace is not for stupidity like this. Male or female. CBC tolerating either of these two idiots conducting themselves in this manner is what is a major problem.

                            Borel made an admission against her own interest which killed the crown's case. That is my theory.

                            Good Luck!
                            Tayken

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                            • #15
                              lol, -1 evil feminists (there are some good ones)

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