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    For purposes of child support calculations, does spousal support count as income?

    For example if a spouse receives $35k in spousal makes $25k working would that be $60k for determining child support the next year?

    Just planning my budget long term.

    Thanks

  • #2
    NO! To clarify, is it you paying the spousal support, is the spouse receiving it from someone else? Regardless, SS is tax deductible i.e. person receiving has to declare and the person paying gets a return.

    Child support is primary and right of the child....you can't weasel your way out of that. So if you earn 50k and don't have 50-50, you pay table amount based on your 50k salary. If you have to pay SS, that comes on top of the CS providing there is an entitlement to SS.

    NOTE: Want to save yourself from potential SS in the future, find someone that earns more or close to you. As I don't want anymore kids...my dating life takes this into consideration now.

    I am NOT currently paying SS, as I was lucky to beat it! Phew

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    • #3
      It is me paying the support. I'm not trying to get out of child support in any way, just want to know what it will cost.

      My income will be about $150k and hers should be around $25k so I guess I will pay her $30k spousal and then the difference of $125k look up amount

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Acadia71 View Post
        It is me paying the support. I'm not trying to get out of child support in any way, just want to know what it will cost.

        My income will be about $150k and hers should be around $25k so I guess I will pay her $30k spousal and then the difference of $125k look up amount


        No.

        Your spousal is determined in your agreement and has nothing to do with her income or cs.

        Child support has nothing to do with her income and is based on your income. If your income is over $150,000 a year it may also be considered different outside the table but that is up to a judge.

        Section 7 expenses are the only things that depend on both incomes. That percentage is determined based on your income and hers combined.

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        • #5
          Child support trumps SS. Again, a judge will look at you full income and use the table to determine how much CS you pay.

          For example: depending on how many kids, 1,2.3,4 kids amounts below / month

          150000 ! 1263 2012 2611 3102

          http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/fl-df/c...11/pdf/ona.pdf

          Lessons learned: Don't hook up with someone that works at Timmies/ McDonalds or just "works", especially when you have a higher salary. Find close to or an equal



          Originally posted by Acadia71 View Post
          It is me paying the support. I'm not trying to get out of child support in any way, just want to know what it will cost.

          My income will be about $150k and hers should be around $25k so I guess I will pay her $30k spousal and then the difference of $125k look up amount

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          • #6
            In your case, you would pay CS based on your income before spousal support is subtracted - i.e. the guideline amount for $150K, not $125K. You can claim a tax deduction for spousal support, which will offset the costs to you somewhat.

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            • #7
              What if they are doing offset CS? So for example his income is $150k for CS (or $1,263 in ONT per month for 1 kid). Her income is $25k or $55k with SS. So does she pay him $200 a month in CS or $498 a month in CS. It makes a big difference because his offset paid to her each month would be either $1,063 or $765 per month.

              I read somewhere that to determine CS you have to use worksheet 3 provided by the government which takes off SS income (usually for the lower earning mother) to determine how much CS you pay.

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              • #8
                My partner was in this situation (offset with him paying SS). His CS contribution was calculated based on his income before SS was subtracted. His ex's CS contribution was based on her income before SS was added. In other words, SS entered the calculations as part of his income, not as part of hers.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by stripes View Post
                  My partner was in this situation (offset with him paying SS). His CS contribution was calculated based on his income before SS was subtracted. His ex's CS contribution was based on her income before SS was added. In other words, SS entered the calculations as part of his income, not as part of hers.
                  What a ridiculous system.

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                  • #10
                    Says you...but nobody is putting a gun to our heads to have kid(s) or get married. In an ideal world, the Quebec system of no marriage - no spousal support will be the de-facto standards across the country.

                    Hence the reason I won't be getting married again or find myself fall into the common law trap. I was lucky to beat the SS claim first time around, why would I want to push my luck next time

                    Originally posted by Acadia71 View Post
                    What a ridiculous system.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by hopefull View Post
                      Hence the reason I won't be getting married again or find myself fall into the common law trap. I was lucky to beat the SS claim first time around, why would I want to push my luck next time
                      Just marry someone who has higher income then you and you will not fall into the trap but instead get SS.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Canadaguy View Post
                        Just marry someone who has higher income then you and you will not fall into the trap but instead get SS.
                        This doesn't work at all, women generally marry up (financially) which is alright but the problem is they can also "divorce" up and then bang the mailman or whoever else they want. If they don't marry up the marriages fail even worse than normal....

                        For now, moving to Quebec is an option, the law has been challenged and it seems Quebecois Pride > Feminism so attempts to make us like the rest of Canada have failed.

                        However, they are working on something that once you have kids they can now make you pay spousal support. I've read the report, it is a loophole.

                        The best solution is probably prostitutes and escorts or never live with them. They can stay over but they need to have their own place of residence.

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                        • #13
                          Not going to dispute this one iota, but these are usually women that don't bring much to the table (earn much) in the first place.

                          The lady am currently seeing earns an extra 30k more than I do, a nice car, 2 older kids and 3 investment properties. Her ex who earned the same as her, treated her like crap i.e. verbally and in the first month of seeing each other, she has spoiled me and I have treated her like a queen.

                          I was recently treated to 2 nights at Le Nordik Spa...the place is not cheap and she took care of the bill and everything.

                          Originally posted by Links17 View Post
                          This doesn't work at all, women generally marry up (financially) which is alright but the problem is they can also "divorce" up and then bang the mailman or whoever else they want. If they don't marry up the marriages fail even worse than normal....

                          For now, moving to Quebec is an option, the law has been challenged and it seems Quebecois Pride > Feminism so attempts to make us like the rest of Canada have failed.

                          However, they are working on something that once you have kids they can now make you pay spousal support. I've read the report, it is a loophole.

                          The best solution is probably prostitutes and escorts or never live with them. They can stay over but they need to have their own place of residence.

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                          • #14
                            Are you significantly younger than her? Your language suggests as much... Older women have much less market value...

                            Secondly, if you think people are honest especially divorced people you must lay off the crack.

                            Enjoy the ride but seriously don't be naive....

                            Assume she can be lying about everything and putting on a show and don't put yourself in a position that if she was lying that you would get screwed.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Links17 View Post
                              Are you significantly younger than her? Your language suggests as much... Older women have much less market value...

                              Secondly, if you think people are honest especially divorced people you must lay off the crack.

                              Enjoy the ride but seriously don't be naive....

                              Assume she can be lying about everything and putting on a show and don't put yourself in a position that if she was lying that you would get screwed.
                              Although a bit crude Links17 has a point. If you really want to know what happened go pull the continuing record for the divorce and read it. You will get a view of both sides and what you could become the "target of blame" for in the future.

                              If someone claims that every relationship has failed because of the other person... you should really really really consider if you will be the next person on that list.

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