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    Dad lives out of Canada and FRO doesn't have a mailing address.He' in persistent arrears. FRO suspended his driver's license and passport is next. Default hearing also scheduled. Hypothetically, if he tries to re-enter Canada to pick up his daughter for a trip outside of Canada, would he be allowed in Canada but not allowed to leave? Or not allowed in Canada? For the record, he's Canadian with no other nationality.

  • #2
    Passport is the property of the government:

    Refusal, revocations and suspended passports - Passport Canada

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    • #3
      Ah, I'm just gonna sit back and watch

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DeadBeatDouchebagDad View Post
        Dad lives out of Canada and FRO doesn't have a mailing address.He' in persistent arrears. FRO suspended his driver's license and passport is next. Default hearing also scheduled. Hypothetically, if he tries to re-enter Canada to pick up his daughter for a trip outside of Canada, would he be allowed in Canada but not allowed to leave? Or not allowed in Canada? For the record, he's Canadian with no other nationality.

        The bigger question would be leaving where he is. Have you ever boarded a plane, internationally, without a passport? Now, he may have the physical passport, and depending on the systems, etc of where he is, he may just sail through the check in counter....but, maybe not.

        Once in Canada - he has right to be here without a valid passport. He may have difficulty at customs/immigration re-entering, but that can be sorted out with a Canadian DL, Birth Certificate, other documentation.

        This must happen all the time...

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        • #5
          If he is Canadian, he has the right to be in Canada, including entering and leaving the country, passport or no passport. Citizenship can be proven through a birth certificate or other identity documents. Having no valid passport would only be an issue when exiting or entering another country, where you do not have citizenship rights.

          At airports, staff check that your passport is valid because if you are refused entrance to another country for not having appropriate documents, the cost of bringing you back to Canada falls on the airline. You can exit and enter Canada by foot or by car without being required to show a passport, as long as you have some other proof of citizenship, because no third party is on the hook for returning you to Canada if you're turned away from another country.

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          • #6
            If he is Canadian, he has the right to be in Canada, including entering and leaving the country, passport or no passport.
            This is not correct.

            If you leave the country, you must be going somewhere else - and other countries are not obliged to let you in, particularly without a passport.

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            • #7
              I agree with Orleans lawyer. Try it without a passport if you are skeptical.

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              • #8
                I have, often. I used to have two passports (legally - I have dual citizenship) and I usually didn't use the Canadian one upon leaving Canada. I did, of course, have to show a passport upon entering the next country to prove my nationality and not get stuck forever in the immigration waiting room.

                The Canadian gov't can't prevent citizens leaving, unless there's some pressing reason why you should not flee the country (criminal charges, for instance). It's your right as a citizen to move freely in the country, including exiting it. The Canadian gov't can regulate who comes into the country, however, so you have to be able to prove citizenship when you enter Canada. However, this doesn't require a passport - I've seen people do it at road crossings with birth certificates or certificates of citizenship or UN refugee papers.

                So concerning the OP's question - if his girlfriend's ex loses his passport, life will undoubtedly get more difficult, especially air travel, but as long as he has other proof of citizenship or another country's passport, he will not necessarily be barred from entering or leaving Canada.

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                • #9
                  When I visited Austria and France, both EU members, we could have easily gone to the EU line, where essentially everyone was waved through. But if we had been stopped for any reason at any point afterwards and not produced the stamped passport, we would have been in big trouble.

                  When we drove from Austria to the Czech Republic, our guide was very specific. There were no border checkpoints, just some signs, though because of the cold war, you could tell where they had been. But our guide asked us very insistently to ensure we had our passports ready, since they could and would randomly check by pulling over vehicles near the border with foreign plates.

                  So I can see how someone who was already in Europe could get around with an invalid passport, but most airlines scan them before boarding so you'd be restricted to land travel. Coming back to Canada, if you don't have a passport, you'd stick out like a sore thumb. Someone in our group had their stolen and they almost missed their connecting flight because of the grilling they got in Dorval.

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