FRO & s7/medical/education

[rockscan]

How does it work for expenses when youre registered with fro? Does the recipient submit to them or does it still work between parties? And does fro expect actual receipts or some other proof of payment?

[Beachnana]

Your agreement has to state an amount of expenses payable. FRO does not make any calculations. So if your agreement says something like " proportionate to income". FRO will not enforce anything. It has to state $x per month. I was told I could gather sixth months of expenses and submit to a judge for payment under FRO but that is another whole process. We are considering putting in a motion which states the average section 7 expenses for daycare and have a balancing clauses for each year. Then that amount can be collected each month by FRO

[rockscan]

Agreement says proportionate to income. So %. I wanted to know how it works then for submission. Receipts go to fro?

[Berner_Faith]

Agreement says proportionate to income. So %. I wanted to know how it works then for submission. Receipts go to fro?

No, FRO will NOT enforce receipts because they only enforce numbers in an order, they are not about to calculate the %. If you want expenses deducted through FRO, you will have to do as was stated above and get an order stating a monthly amount.

From the government Website...

If a support order is not clearly written or lacks important information, we may not be able to enforce it. Here are some tips to help you draft a support order.

Do:
-Use the standard terms for support orders set out in Ontario Regulation 182/08 made under the Family Responsibility and Support Arrears Enforcement Act, 1996.

-Quantify the dollar amount, frequency and start date of the support payments.

-Specify an obligation to "pay", rather than "share" special expenses.

-Quantify the expenses.

-If costs are awarded, make sure the portion "related to support and maintenance" is specified in the order so that we can enforce those costs as "support".

-Specify the amount or portion of arrears that is owed to a social service agency, as well as any amount owed to the support recipient.

-Include support termination dates, where appropriate.

-When seeking a global child support order, if appropriate, specify the dollar amount that will be payable for the remaining children if one child's support payments will end at a future date.

-Set out special expenses (e.g., medical, child care, extracurricular expenses) in the support order either as a fixed amount, or as an expense which must be claimed on a sworn statement of arrears submitted by the support recipient. Otherwise, these expenses will not be enforceable by FRO.

[rockscan]

K thanks. Hes considering registering support through fro so he doesnt have to deal with her bs anymore. But wondered about expenses. She refuses to provide receipts for stuff and then tells the kids he refuses to pay.

[Beachnana]

Well you can register through FRO for child support. For expenses such as Daycare she needs to provide the receipt and you pay proportionate to income. Any other activites i would suggest that once you have agreed that your children participate in an activity contact the activity provider and pay your portion to them. Inform your ex of your intentions and then she has to pay her %. So you know what it costs and you pay yourmportion directly. I used to pay for swimming lessons and my Mom used to pay 1/2 for us. She sent her payment in by cheque and I would go and pay the balance. No need for receipts then, you will have yours and she will have hers.

[rockscan]

Its post secondary expenses so applications, tuition etc. and medical he doesnt hear about until she maxes her benefits.

[Beachnana]

Well if you are dealing with adult children you should be able to communicate with the children. No receipts no payments. Simple as that.

[Beachnana]

And Universities take money from anyone, so you can contact the university and ask how much the fees are and pay your portion. Your children just need to give their student number information and you can actually do this online. With regard to the dental, if she is stupid enough to not inform you and not give you a receipt then she can do without the money and again you can inform your adult children that receipts are needed.

Or alternatively you can request that your deal directly with your children on all these matters, as they are consenting adults.

[rockscan]

Thanks Beachnana. Not that I want to encourage conflict but the games are just ridiculous and not worth his energy.

[Beachnana]

I hear you. Takes up way too much time. He really needs to speak with his adult children and explain the situation. I am sure if they understand how things work they will be able to work out their own arrangements for school related expenses.

[rockscan]

Its only one and they are in "mom's camp" about it all. Dont understand why he needs receipts, their word should be enough, how will they figure it all out in the fall, they have to pay their fees blah blah blah. Too much drama for something that should be simple. Its been three months since the application fee was paid, they should have a receipt for their payment, they can send nasty emails and call and yell at him for bullsh*t but can they forward the receipt for payment? Nope. Just like I said to him, if they want the money they'll send it. If they want to accuse him of not fulfilling his obligations he can remind them of their responsibility. You should have seen the fight in the fall over medical expenses. She figured it was ok to just tell him how much he had to give her. After discovering he paid her twice for eye care, he stopped paying for anything without a receipt. The kids want to be mad because they believe her bs, so be it.

[rockscan]

Oh and he also doesnt get info. He finally called the school for a school trip for the younger one and the camp for summer. Both places had no idea he was interested inbeing involved. Nowthat he calls, he can pay them.

[Beachnana]

That is a really frustrating I am sure for you. Perhaps your recourse is to send a registered letter stating without receipts no payments will be made. Then ignore all the emails. Actually block all the emails into junk and accept only paper receipts sent by registered mail. Then get on with your life. It might be a hard lesson for the young adults to learn. But it is a valuable one. There are always consequences for actions.