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Tlook up what occurred a few years back in bountiful BC
Are you talking about the father who had to commit suicide and leave whatever he had to his daughter after he was ordered to pay child support every month in an amount far exceeding the amount of money he actually made every month ? Yes there were FALSE allegations of abuse by the mother (and even Police charges that were eventually stayed.)

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The Toronto Women's shelter was started by unpaid women. They scrounged around for supplies. They did not have the luxury of government grants. To this very day, women's shelters across the country rely heavily on donations and revenue derived from fund-raising activities that people and businesses volunteer their time for.

Yes people from the shelter often times accompany women to court. This is no different than paid staff from the John Howard Society across Canada (for men) who provide support and counselling to their clients. The John Howard Society (just to name one) is active in assisting men incarcerated in prisons across the country.

There are limited shelters in the country for men fleeing domestic violence. Perhaps men need to get organized and donate some of their time and money to open more men's shelters? Volunteerism was/is the essential ingredient for success and operation of women's shelters across the country.
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Are you talking about the father who had to commit suicide and leave whatever he had to his daughter after he was ordered to pay child support every month in an amount far exceeding the amount of money he actually made every month ? Yes there were FALSE allegations of abuse by the mother (and even Police charges that were eventually stayed.)

Christie Blatchford: B.C. man pleads for family court reform in suicide note | National Post
Wow, really? Nope, didnt mention bountiful in that article, nor was it even related to what I was writing about. So nope.

Your really stretching to find ways to make a point, to the extent your arguments aren't even relevant to the initial one you made...
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If people do not pursue charging their ex with uttering false statements (on advice from their lawyer?) then there is little that can or will be done to stop people (male and female) from false accusations.

I have never once heard of anyone on this forum (who was falsely accused) actually pursuing the matter legally. I wonder why that is? Seems odd that a person is willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars in court but doesn't see that the false accuser is penalized. Instead, years later the person accused sits and posts on an anonymous forum...still seething at the injustice.... still infuriated with their ex... still blaming the system... insulting any person of the opposite sex who will listen. Pretty futile IMO.
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If people do not pursue charging their ex with uttering false statements (on advice from their lawyer?) then there is little that can or will be done to stop people (male and female) from false accusations.

I have never once heard of anyone on this forum (who was falsely accused) actually pursuing the matter legally. I wonder why that is? Seems odd that a person is willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars in court but doesn't see that the false accuser is penalized. Instead, years later the person accused sits and posts on an anonymous forum...still seething at the injustice.... still infuriated with their ex... still blaming the system... insulting any person of the opposite sex who will listen. Pretty futile IMO.
Spot on Arabian. Nothing changes if the ones who take issue with the problems, do nothing. Internet forums such as this, will do very little if anything, to enact that change.
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The legal system is far from perfect but I have to say that I pity a judge who has to wade through a raft of he-said-she-said emails/text messages to try to sort things out. I believe this is why the whole 'case conference' process evolved... perhaps it is merely a shield for the trial judge... wear everyone down, and in the process empty bank accounts. In the end you have 2 broke people and 2 wealthier people (lawyers) and 1 very cranky person (judge) who is sick and tired of reading all the nonsense. Substitute the paid-for lawyers with legal aid lawyers and ..... the whole process just gets dragged out for a few more years at the taxpayer's expense. So yes, I can see why people don't end up pursuing the matter of their ex falsely accusing them - they have let the once-important matter drop by the wayside as a kind of deal in their bartering for their kids. The problem is, the lying/false accusing will always be there... simmering...
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Wow, really? Nope, didnt mention bountiful in that article, nor was it even related to what I was writing about. So nope.

Your really stretching to find ways to make a point, to the extent your arguments aren't even relevant to the initial one you made...
Really? I'm stoked. Specially so as you tried to claim that women are innocent and for me to look into what goes on in BC.
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Really? I'm stoked. Specially so as you tried to claim that women are innocent and for me to look into what goes on in BC.
I did? Where please? Pretty sure if you can find me making that statement it will be out of context, but if you can provide me with It, in the correct context like your using It, I'll make a donation to the organization newfie posted on the first page.


Ultimately Trinton, this argument comes down to, have you done anything other than post here to correct this issue as you see It? Volunteered, donated money, attended protests or a rally? If not, all you have is empty words on a post that maybe a few dozen people will read.

If you believe that strongly in your argument, get out there and make the change. Who do you expect to do it for you?
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To clarify, I was challenging you to show me where I made the claim that women are innocent.
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Perhaps men need to get organized and donate some of their time and money to open more men's shelters?
I would certainly agree to this Arabian .. but there's a problem.

We get called whiners, wimps, gay, and whatever else simply for being a victim. With these prescribed gender roles and stereotypes (me man...me macho), society has almost made it impossible to show the world we're "scared" and need help. This thread is a GREAT example. A few of us added to your great article by talking about how abuse is genderless....we got called whiners and that we should do something about it. Would a female have been called a whiner? I don't think so. That's a problem.

Dad's rights movements piss people off here for some reason. Women's rights are discussed at length and they dont have to be subjected to be called "whiners"...or "do something about it whiner"...etc. I just dont get it. We should be able to discuss things without all that stuff.

My Uncle experienced quite a bit of abuse from my Aunt. He's a military man and big wig mechanic now for Mitsubishi.. a man's man. My Aunt would drink then hit, kick, pinch and spit on him. We had no idea this was happening. Finally one night she threw a glass and it shattered near his eye, leaving huge scars. My Uncle finally called the police .. told them everything. He even slept on the bathroom floor behind a locked door (that she broke down twice) most nights.

Long story short, my Aunt turned on he water works and the police escorted my Uncle out of his home that he spent years working to pay for. She was never charged and just got to relax. He lost everything and tells me all the time he wished he never called the police. He was with her 30 years. He now lives in a basement apartment in Toronto, paying an unbelievable amount of SS, is depressed and hurt. She is now living with a golf pro and vacationing every weekend, living the life... smiling ear to ear.

I watched my friend get sucker punched by a girl in a bar ... he got laughed at by the police, who encouraged him to go to the gym or take a boxing class. She got a high five and a great reputation. This is why I dont get Soiled's snotty little attitude about this issue. It's quite disturbing actually. Posters like Soiled, who sit back and call men WHINERS for merely "discussing" the issue...is the reason most men keep it quiet. It's really sad that people like that were raised in such a manner.

Just look at Jeff's thread:

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I stabbed him with a fork and reversed over him in my car': The secret Facebook page where women brag about violence toward men
Secret Facebook group 'Bad Girls Advice' brags about acts of domestic violence
Women boasted about hitting men with cars and stabbing them in the genitals
Facebook thread was shared by a domestic violence support group on Thursday
Group administrator insisted to Daily Mail Australia the group is misrepresented


Read more: Secret Facebook Bad Girls Advice brags domestic violence | Daily Mail Online
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Why are they bragging? Because they're being positively reinforced. They're gettign high fives. It's "cool" and "funny" to be able to hurt a man. The police don't do anything..and there's posters like Soiled who add to the flames by calling men whiners because they dont want to be humiliated and shunned by society for coming forward....so insensitive and discouraging.

I personally don't think the owner of this great site is a "whiner" just because he's not out opening up shelters or domestic violence groups for men. I think an important first step is opening discussion on forums like this, and I commend him for sharing that article.

Let's refrain from calling each other whiners for discussing abuse without starting a movement. Perhaps discussing it here is the start of a movement.

I know we can do better on this site. There are many readers here, possibly many enduring abuse. Let's smarten up.

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