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Old 09-25-2009, 12:23 AM
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Default Private Member’s Bill C-422 - Equal parenting (Mr. Velacott)

A question from the "politically inexperienced": What can be done to support Mr. Vellacott's bill?

Google "vellacott 422" for more info.
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Text of the Bill: C-422

I have to read this one again, it's sending shivers up my spine. Before I can even worry about any other provision of this Bill I have to ask the question: Does the definition of Parenting, as defined by this private members bill:

‚Äúparenting‚ÄĚ
¬ę r√īle parental ¬Ľ



‚Äúparenting‚ÄĚ means the act of assuming the role of a parent to a child, including custody and all of the rights and responsibilities commonly and historically associated with the role of a parent;


mean a person is only a parent if they Act to assert their role as a custodian?
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This somewhat saddens me that this particular thread, regarding Bill C-422, has received little attention here online. This Bill represent a potential for great change and bring restore the concept of "equality" in the eyes of the law.

It's depressing to here stories about good parents wanting to be part of their children's lives but are finding no justice in a system that is suppose to treat them equally. What's even more depressing to see the lack of support from many of these dads to work towards making change in our democratic system. If you don't like the rules that you've been force to play with, than work towards changing the rules...

Support Bill C-422 by writing to your MP and encouraging your friends/family to do the same.

BTW: Spend the 5 minutes and sign the online petition for Bill C-422. It is just a small step in a long trip but these small steps may turn into something large.

SUPPORT BILL C-422 EQUAL PARENTING

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Why is the cause restricted to federal level. Why not petition on the provincial levels ... considering provincial or territorial statutes.
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BTW: Spend the 5 minutes and sign the online petition for Bill C-422. It is just a small step in a long trip but these small steps may turn into something large.

SUPPORT BILL C-422 EQUAL PARENTING
Is this the only online petition for the bill?
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Is this the only online petition for the bill?
There are many ... but not so much for the bill ... but the concept.

Shared Equal Parenting - Signatures

Equal Shared Parenting Family Law Reform In Canada Petition

Petition-them.com

Links on "Canadian Equal Parenting Council" | Facebook

Parental Alienation (Canada): London, Ontario ~ free seminar on equal parenting and the fathers rights movement.

For the Sake of The Children Marathon of Hope

A well thought out website for the cause.

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Why is the cause restricted to federal level. Why not petition on the provincial levels ... considering provincial or territorial statutes.
The Divorce Act is a federal legislation. Thus the reason for us to write to your local Federal MP to indicate the importance of supporting this bill. However, the provinces will implement the laws through the courts so for sustainable reform, the provinces need to be on board as well... So contacting your local MPP may also be a worthwhile effort.

The online petition is just one of many ways to try to get attention to the Bill. Writing to your MP is also an approach too that should be done as well. What we really need is to start preaching to the non-converted. Starting with your friends and family is a good start. However, my experience so far in getting my friends involve have been abit disappointing so far. I've only email a few friends (to test the water) and it took abit of nagging to get them to even just sign the online petition. What I will be doing is printing out a letter template asking their local MP to support Bill C-422. Then I'll go around and get my friends/family to sign them and I'll mail them on their behalf. Otherwise, most of them likely will just put it off for a more convenient time and then they'll end up forgetting all together.

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The Divorce Act is a federal legislation. Thus the reason for us to write to your local Federal MP to indicate the importance of supporting this bill. However, the provinces will implement the laws through the courts so for sustainable reform, the provinces need to be on board as well... So contacting your local MPP may also be a worthwhile effort.
I'm aware of the Federal Statute. However, as a starting point in Ontario - Apparently the presumption exists under Section 20 of the Children's Law Reform Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. C.12 For instance:

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...Under the Children’s Law Reform Act, a mother and father are equally entitled to custody of a child. When an access dispute breaks out, judges use a list of criteria to determine whether or not to depart from an equal-access regime.

Judge Ingram ruled that Ms. Johne and Mr. Cavannah’s child would be best served by a 50/50 access arrangement....


http://www.ottawadivorce.com/forum/f...tfeeding-6931/
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The online petition is just one of many ways to try to get attention to the Bill. Writing to your MP is also an approach too that should be done as well. What we really need is to start preaching to the non-converted. Starting with your friends and family is a good start. However, my experience so far in getting my friends involve have been abit disappointing so far. I've only email a few friends (to test the water) and it took abit of nagging to get them to even just sign the online petition. What I will be doing is printing out a letter template asking their local MP to support Bill C-422. Then I'll go around and get my friends/family to sign them and I'll mail them on their behalf. Otherwise, most of them likely will just put it off for a more convenient time and then they'll end up forgetting all together.
Many parents who have intact relationships -- Couldn't care less about the cause until their own relationship failed and find themselves on the outside looking in when it comes to their children.

Considering Divorce statistic hovering about 50% - some will be on board soon enough.
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The Divorce Act is a federal legislation. Thus the reason for us to write to your local Federal MP to indicate the importance of supporting this bill. However, the provinces will implement the laws through the courts so for sustainable reform, the provinces need to be on board as well... So contacting your local MPP may also be a worthwhile effort.
Custody is both a federal and provincial jurisdiction due to an odd occurance in the BNA Act. Divorce is specificly a federal responsibility, but civil matters (of which marriage and custody are included) are provincial. The divorce act can't help but affect child custody so there is a rare jurisdictional crossover.

The provinces and feds have tried to deal with this by keeping laws in sync and not contradicting each other. For example the Ontario Family Law Act requires the use of the Federal Child Support tables.

As I understand it (but I could be mistaken or oversimplifying) when we separate only, if we seek custody ruling we go through provincial court and provincial law. If we seek a divorce along with custody, we go through federal court and law. Some provinces also use unified courts.

If the Federal law is changed, the provinces will be strongly obliged to sync up with it. Meanwhile if several provinces went this route, the Feds would be more inclined to sync as well. It can flow either way.

The courts are already favouring shared parenting, compared to a generation ago. The last news article I read in the Toronto Star noted that almost 50% of cases were shared now. There is still a strong bias towards the mothers having custody if the finding is sole custody, this is also close to half, and the smallest percentage is for the fathers to have sole custody.

The court decisions tend to follow previous trends. Lawyers quote other cases, the judges certainly read other judge's decisions and are aware of social studies and statistics. So common law derived from court cases is supporting this trend anyway.
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I believe Yukon Jurisdiction has made some changes to their statutes with respect to the presumption.

On the US side - Arizona and Washington State to name a few.
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