Male Reproductive Rights

[singlemama]

Originally Posted by #1StepMom

Depression, alcohol, drugs, and the list goes on. Only after several long and hard weeks of self reflection and guidance did he begin to snap out of his funk and begin looking at the positive aspects - he had a healthy baby boy who was 50% him; his flesh and blood. How can you not fall in love with your own child? It's a life changing event, whether you like it / planned it or not. :-)

Amazing. You are a lucky woman. Not everyone does snap out of it.

[singlemama]

Originally Posted by midnightvampyr

...if the opportunity to profit from using a child as a pawn in a game of extortion is taken away, women will not be so promiscuous....this is not about whether to have sex or not, its a question as to whether someone has a choice to be a parent or not.....

Please open your eyes to the fact that when you have sex, there is a chance you will become a parent. Sex and babies: the two are inextricably linked. You have a choice to have safe sex so you won't impregnate a woman, or you have the choice to risk it and end up in your situation.

Your problem is a result of your own actions. You can accept that, or you can waste energy placing blame on your ex, the government,family law, our country, god, whomever you please. But blame will NOT change your situation.

Your child is the most important thing here. Forget your ex, forget the blame, get over it, so that you can make something positive out of this situation for your own sake, and more importantly for your child's sake.

[singlemama]

Originally Posted by got2bkid

I find it really interesting that when it comes to child support, it is the "mans child too" and if he doesn't want to pay up, he shoulda kept it "zipped up". Yet when it comes to the choices of abortion, having the baby, and custody issues it is "my child", according to these same women, and suddenly her choices and her child alone.

If men had to squeeze a baby out of their penis, they would have the choice as well.

I'm just saying.

[dadtotheend]

Originally Posted by singlemama

If men had to squeeze a baby out of their penis, they would have the choice as well.

I'm just saying.

That's bs. A woman's choice does not arise from the hours they spend squeezing. It arises from the nine months before that and from other complicated ethical and moral issues that have been and will continue to be argued in perpetuity.

[Mess]

Originally Posted by got2bkid

I find it really interesting that when it comes to child support, it is the "mans child too" and if he doesn't want to pay up, he shoulda kept it "zipped up". Yet when it comes to the choices of abortion, having the baby, and custody issues it is "my child", according to these same women, and suddenly her choices and her child alone.

You don't understand what the woman's right to choose is.

You have the right to choose whether to donate blood or not. You have the right to choose whether to donate a kidney or not. If someone was forcing you to do those things, you would be up in arms, and so would every man in the country.

The woman has a right to choose what happens to her body and her organs and her blood, just like you. Someone's life may be at stake, maybe even your innocent child, but the law doesn't make you get on the operating table. It doesn't make her do it either. She has a choice. We all do.

[Mess]

Originally Posted by midnightvampyr

Interesting argument but not very well thought out....if the opportunity to profit from using a child as a pawn in a game of extortion is taken away, women will not be so promiscuous....this is not about whether to have sex or not, its a question as to whether someone has a choice to be a parent or not.....

If thought about things for even a second, you might think that in previous eras where women had no choices, when they forced to carry babies secretly, sent away to sanitariums and forced to give them up for adoption, well, people still had sex, didn't they?

[singlemama]

Originally Posted by dadtotheend

That's bs. A woman's choice does not arise from the hours they spend squeezing. It arises from the nine months before that and from other complicated ethical and moral issues that have been and will continue to be argued in perpetuity.

You're absolutely right. My point, which I failed to communicate, was that if it were a man's body, they would have the right to make the choice.

[sufferer]

Originally Posted by representingself

First off....... are you on drugs??? You're either incredibly high, or incredibly ignorant.

What part of keep your penis in your pants do you not understand? Did you happen to fail that Grade 9 sex ed course where they showed you how to put a condom on a bananna?

I don't care if your ex Brazilian Immigrant told you she was infertile.... YOU made the decision to ejaculate inside her vagina which led to insemination which led to a child.

A 50 cent rubber would have saved you 21 years of child support under these "draconian" and unfair laws....

But YOU were either too cheap, too drunk, or too stupid to exercise your "RIGHTS", and see what the end result would be from your carelessness.

You HAD the RIGHT to PROTECT YOURSELF... and YOU CHOSE NOT TO.... and now you want to blame society, politicians and women for your irresponsible actions.

"Child support should be tied into access"..... and why is that??? So that Deadbeat loosers like you can decide to abandon your children, whenever you feel like it....

ONLY because you are so selfish and don't want to pay money to feed, clothe and shelter them?

Your arguments are ludicrous and you desperately want to find other irrational idiots who will agree with you....

Thankfully, the majority of intelligent people in this country, myself included, value human life over money, and will never concede to your nonesense.

Your preposterous statements are however, very entertaining... please feel free to continue to voice your neanderthal opinions...... I could use a chuckle.

HAHAHAHAAHA you gave me a stomachache.
And just for the thread starter i was married and never wanted to continue with the second prenancy.But my hubby wanted it and we had a boy.Leaving me pregnant at home he started sleeping with his co worker(whom he used to call a slut).Not to mention i walked out and he left his 70,000 jobIn other words he is not/littly supportig his kids.To top up within 3 years of separation he already have twomore with that so called slut.And I am glad he is not allowed to exercise his rights ...lol

[wretchedotis]

I agree that upon conception, men are from that point on powerless as to whether to abort the child or not.

Midnight, I would like to empathize, because that doesn't quite suit me well either. However at this point, the arguement that supercedes all others is that it is within the womans body. Therefore, it is the womans body. She may do as she pleases within the law to her own body. You cannot command her to. So it may seem unfair, as there is no other 'opt-out' for men. You should try argueing your point from a different tact. Quite frankly, in today's society of womens lib and what-not, you will get nowhere with this idea.

[blinkandimgone]

Originally Posted by sufferer

HAHAHAHAAHA you gave me a stomachache.
And just for the thread starter i was married and never wanted to continue with the second prenancy.But my hubby wanted it and we had a boy.Leaving me pregnant at home he started sleeping with his co worker(whom he used to call a slut).Not to mention i walked out and he left his 70,000 jobIn other words he is not/littly supportig his kids.To top up within 3 years of separation he already have twomore with that so called slut.And I am glad he is not allowed to exercise his rights ...lol

Wow....just...wow. He didn't 'leave you pregnant at home', you made the choice to stay - both pregnant and at home. Just like he had no right to tell his new partner not to continue the pregnancies, he had no right to tell you you had to.

I certainly don't agree with or support the original poster in this thread but I gather it's statements like "And I am glad he is not allowed to exercise his rights ...lol" that fuel that fire.