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Old 05-03-2014, 10:04 PM
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I suggested only suggested a publicly funded lawyer should consider sending parties to there Free mediation service

the example you gave is perfect....maybe the 300k person wants to resolve things without lawyers.....but your saying lawyer up?

As a taxpayer I'm not sure I like that everybody has the chance to lawyer up I'd rather people resolve things without going to Court in the first place

Nothing wrong with a legal aid lawyer going over the 300k parents stuff but to actively get involved up to Trials, I think a legal aid mediator can work for both parties and have a fair outcome


There was a guy that transferred millions in assets to his mother became broke and got legal aid and the legal aid bill was huge and the guy won but was found out later

Is there games out there and legal aid is duped or gets too caught up in the fights. There's paths to resolution and agreements (cheapest) if it escalates fine lawyer up but pity the person that's hasn't got a government lawyer with endless money even your 300k example will go broke

and if you read the case I posted above the Trial went 17 DAYS so too bad for 300k people

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Old 05-03-2014, 10:41 PM
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To tag in on your conversation...

Would be nice to see the members of the bar give back to the community by way of donating xxx of hours/year. Maybe they could donate these hours by providing mediation services?
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Old 05-04-2014, 12:31 AM
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Members of the Bar only want money and after 8 years to become a Lawyer there's nothing like a client with deep pockets. There's some statistic's on there too many lawyers now getting pumped out of schools in a society that is overcrowded with lawyers, it doesn't matter they ain't listening they want a grub stake.
Legal Aid is one of the places they get there feet wet and turned loose on a unsuspecting public...to need more lawyers....it is out of control just like dentists they are everywhere and none of them do dentistry...they send you to specialists and periodontitis...and so on...

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and I'll add even with the high demands of my profession I found the time to research what a lawyer does and blew the doors off them even the established ones. The Law Society is now a joke with it's ambulance chasers and legal aid wannabe lawyers...to bad for them
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Okay so what happens if the $300k party wants to settle without court or lawyers because they know if lawyers are involved they will have to pay what's fair? If they don't have a lawyer, which means the other party can't have a lawyer, the $300k has the upper had because they could be withholding CS or settlement funds that the $20k party needs to survive. So essentially the $300k party could get away with paying 1/8 of what they legally should be only because the $20k party needed something to survive on and couldn't go any longer without access to those funds.

There are always going to be people who abuse the system, it doesn't matter what the system is, people will abuse it, but I would say the majority of people don't. The reason you see it mentioned so much on here is because the people that are able to settle, even with legal aide lawyers have no reason to be here. Some way you see many people here going to court when statistics show a very small percentage actually go to trial.

Personally, if the majority of the tax dollars are going to people that actually need it and don't abuse the system I am happy with that, can't let a few bad apples ruin it for everyone.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:26 AM
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It's the Judge in the case I posted that is crying foul because Judges see Legal Aid Lawyers all the time. Judges are stuck with the below:

PRIMARY OBJECTIVE
(2) The primary objective of these rules is to enable the court to deal with cases justly. O. Reg. 114/99, r. 2 (2).
DEALING WITH CASES JUSTLY
(3) Dealing with a case justly includes,
(a) ensuring that the procedure is fair to all parties;
(b) saving expense and time;
(c) dealing with the case in ways that are appropriate to its importance and complexity; and
(d) giving appropriate court resources to the case while taking account of the need to give resources to other cases.

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Any party that is self represented against a Legal Aid lawyer at a Trial would be able to appeal any decision because it wasn't a fair Trial, that's the point of Law to launch the Appeal
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Blah blah Legal Aid blah blah it gives you wings:

http://www.ottawadivorce.com/forum/f...51/#post157817

http://www.ottawadivorce.com/forum/f...ed-goar-15625/
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Lodge a compliant there's links to a formal form to fax in but the email address is "broken" in there website

Making a complaint | Legal Aid Ontario



Making a complaint

If you have a complaint, you should contact LAO’s Complaints Department.
You can speak to us, send us a fax or an email or you can fill out a LAO complaint form. The Complaints Department can help you fill in this form.

Form:
Complaint Form
Phone:
416 204-7104
1 866 874-9786
Fax:
416 204-4718
Email:
complaints@lao.on.ca
Mail:
Complaints Department
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40 Dundas St. West - Suite 200
Toronto, Ontario, M5G 2H1


Even though Legal Aid Ontario's E-mail address is broken include it when discussing matters with the Legal Aid Lawyer so he/she knows ...some manager is "watching"

add your compliant form to Court Briefs along with the Case Law from this thread if you think your being steam rolled by a Legal Aid Lawyer

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I find it ironic that Legal Aid's email address is "broken" in their website? I mean is anyone there actually working or have the number of complaints reach a point where they have just 'shut down'?
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Old 05-13-2014, 10:23 AM
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The compliants E-mail address for LOA is up and running now
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