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blinkandimgone 01-07-2017 02:27 PM

Jail time for withholding access
 
Mothers who deny fathers access to the couple┐s children after a break-up could be jailed | Daily Mail Online

Discuss.

LovingFather32 01-07-2017 02:44 PM

Thanks for this Blink. It rang in some emotions given the crap I've been through. This means that some of our higher aboves are starting to "get it". If FRO can take away licences and give jail time for non payment.... the courts can take away licences and give jail time for gatekeeping.

Now.....if they can apply the same tactics to false allegations and fibbing in court we'll be set.

The courts can no longer be a chess board or playground of strategy for manufactured, false status quo in custody/access disputes. It's about time someone started to do something about it.

arabian 01-07-2017 04:13 PM

Here's a recent update from Ontario on the woman who abducted her daughter (Amber Alert).

http://www.wellandtribune.ca/2017/01...ss-to-daughter

trinton 01-07-2017 04:41 PM

I still hold our family courts and the government accountable, this is a system they created, that a child can, has, and continues to be stripped from a parent. Our legal system doesn't view both parents as "parents" rather one as parent and one as visitor. If the presumption was 50-50 (in concrete and in black and white) , with no excuses for any lame sorry ass loser to argue otherwise, then we wouldn't even have any of these problems. It is so bad that a Canadian doctor (neurosurgeon), yes a Canadian doctor, recently killed his wife after being made aware that he was going to have to deal with the court system.

Toronto doctor?s killing shocks medical community - The Globe and Mail

Another Canadian doctor got fed up with our legal system and abducted his children to Iran.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...ocated-in-iran

The interview is awesome: http://globalnews.ca/video/2709062/e...he-middle-east

We have doctors breaking the law, because of family law.What better do we expect from non-doctor citizens?

Legal aid isn't helping anything, matter of fact, the chaos I am in is due to Legal Aid Ontario's bias, prejudice, and ignorance towards me as a father.

The latest downfall from Legal Aid Ontario https://nowtoronto.com/news/legal-ai...le-family-law/

The Ontario Debt is the icing on the cake for our sorry ass government: http://www.debtclock.ca/provincial-d...ntario-s-debt/

Family law kills parents and/or children and destroys children in Canada. Canadian ignorance doesn't help anything. Do gun's kill people, or do people kill people, or does our family legal system kill people? Why do people get this way when they learn that they have to deal with the Canadian family legal system?

Thank you for your post BlinkandImGone, and I encourage all father's, wife's of father's, family of father's grandparents, to continue to fight and fight and exercise your constitutional rights and your freedom of speech and opinion. Stand up to the system and don't let them bully you. Yell at our judges right back. Raise your voice at our judges right back. (Given that we have some very rude ridiculous judges in Canada) If they don't give you what you want, don't give them what they want. Make their lives as miserable as they have made yours and we will continue to see the bias being eliminated. If they continue to be biased against fathers and ordering them to only be able to see their children "every" "other" "weekend" then they are digging their own graves and bringing the administration of the justice to question.

I am well aware of the family law crisis in Canada.

arabian 01-07-2017 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by trinton (Post 215870)
I still hold our family courts and the government accountable, this is a system they created, that a child can, has, and continues to be stripped from a parent. Our legal system doesn't view both parents as "parents" rather one as parent and one as visitor. If the presumption was 50-50 (in concrete and in black and white) , with no excuses for any lame sorry ass loser to argue otherwise, then we wouldn't even have any of these problems. It is so bad that a doctor, yes a doctor, recently killed his wife after being made aware that he was going to have to deal with the court system.

Toronto doctor?s killing shocks medical community - The Globe and Mail

Family law kills and destroys. Canadian ignorance doesn't help anything.


So the father killed his wife because he had to do what everyone else has to do (go through family law process upon divorce)?

Sick. Hope he rots in jail forever. (I could care less what his occupation used to be).

One wonders how many other women in Canada live with a monster, too afraid to file for divorce....

trinton 01-07-2017 05:16 PM

We don't know what she filed for divorce for.

If she wanted to civilly divorce him splitting everything 50/50 then I would take her side, but if she wanted to take everything from him, including custody of his children, and cash for life, then his actions as a result of frustrations are justified and rather very normal and common these days. People's brains apparently stop working when they are faced with our legal system. He probably heard horror storries from other fathers and men who went through our legal system and thought that he make some noise.

Reminds me of this guy that went to the courthouse with a Chainsaw after being served with court papers: Chainsaw-wielding man at family court sentenced to 6 months in jail - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

Our family court process stinks. It is emotionally and financially draining. It is abusive to Canadian citizens both emotionally and financially. It is worst than air pollution.

It needs to be reformed. Rather sooner than later. Otherwise, we will see more and more of the killing, unless we see more and more of the women jailing when they use their gender and the court system to cut off and deny access. Sorry ladies, you don't get to do that just because you are a mother. The word mother has lost it's reputation. Mother's are supposed to want what is truly best for their kids, not what is truly best for themselves.

mcdreamy 01-07-2017 05:17 PM

I’m not sure how the best interests of a child are served by jailing either parent for withholding access (I’ve seen both, withholding). Such an inflammatory title to the article, and then it goes on to be fairly non-gender specific.

In any event, it appears the article posted by the OP is from 2012, and from the UK. [One can always be hopeful posters read links, but I suppose it’s that whole horse, water thing… ].. It appears from later UK news in 2013, the bid referred to in this article failed, as it should have.

We should also discuss jail time for non-payment of child support- I’ve never figured that nonsense out. How can that in the best interests of the child? Here - In Ontario - we need to have this discussion.

Back on the OP's article/topic - I don’t believe the UK (under their 1989-2004 Childrens Act) has the authority to take driver licences for non-payment of cs, nor have their fathers rights groups been successful in the presumption of shared custody – and for some reason, I think that unmarried fathers really, really, get dinged in the UK, with little or no access rights (I have a couple of peeps in N-IRL, and every once in a while this topic comes up in our chit-chat). The UK has some huge strides to make, to get it real into 2017.

Trinton – and what would we do with those lame sorry-ass parents who willingly don’t seek 50-50 on dissolution of a parental relationship, and then return a few years later at their own convenience, that wish to then seek to parent? Do their rights supercede those of the child at that time? I wouldn't think so.

arabian 01-07-2017 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by trinton (Post 215874)
We don't know what she filed for divorce for.

If she wanted to civilly divorce him splitting everything 50/50 then I would take her side, but if she wanted to take everything from him, including custody of his children, and cash for life, then his actions as a result of frustrations are justified and rather very normal and common these days. People's brains apparently stop working when they are faced with our legal system. He probably heard horror storries from other fathers and men who went through our legal system and thought that he make some noise.

Reminds me of this guy that went to the courthouse with a Chainsaw after being served with court papers: Chainsaw-wielding man at family court sentenced to 6 months in jail - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

Our family court process stinks. It is emotionally and financially draining. It is abusive to Canadian citizens both emotionally and financially. It is worst than air pollution.

It needs to be reformed. Rather sooner than later. Otherwise, we will see more and more of the killing, unless we see more and more of the women jailing when they use their gender and the court system to cut off and deny access. Sorry ladies, you don't get to do that just because you are a mother. The word mother has lost it's reputation. Mother's are supposed to want what is truly best for their kids, not what is truly best for themselves.

You think he was justified in murdering his wife??????

Both were highly-educated, successful doctors so I don't think it was a matter of 'cash for life'.

trinton 01-07-2017 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcdreamy (Post 215875)

Trinton – and what would we do with those lame sorry-ass parents who willingly don’t seek 50-50 on dissolution of a parental relationship, and then return a few years later at their own convenience, that wish to then seek to parent? Do their rights supercede those of the child at that time? I wouldn't think so.

I wouldn't call them lame sorry-ass parents without knowing their story. Because a lot of the times, the mother is given everything, including a lawyer from the victim of domestic violence hotline and the father is given nothing and to make things worst, has his access cut off by the lame sorry-ass mother.

The father is then bullied and taken advtange of , not having a lawyer although financially eligible, due to our lame sorry-ass ill-funded legal aid system, and is forced to sign something under duress when the lame sorry-ass duty counsel refuses to give him legal advice because she was overloaded by our lame sorry-ass fludded and back-logged court system and didn't have time to discuss with him.

The father then is given time to see his child, but after he reviews it with a lawyer, realizes how badly he was screwed over and the sole custody one sided order end's up right back in court. The father can't even enjoy holidays or get information from 3rd parties.

Your rationale is that the lawyer wasn't sleeping on the job but rather the father didn't know what he was going. Let me ask you this, when you go to the hospital for treatment, do you know what you're doing or do you trust your doctor to take good care of you and give you the best treatment possible so you don't end up back on the hospital bed the next day?

The judges are ultimately responsible for ensuring that the order is fair to the parties and that the order is in the best interests of the child. When a father appears without a lawyer, he is generally uneducated and royally screwed over. He is at disadvantage, especially when he is given no legal advice by duty counsel.

So to call the parents lame and sorry ass because they were prejudiced against by our lame and sorry ass legal system, is taking a bit far. Our lame and sorry iss ill funded legal aid system should either fund both parents when they are both eligible or not take sides at all. And when the loving fathers go to courts, the court should immediately restore their access 50/50 and tell them that's what the presumption is, not that you have no access and the presumption is that you are guilty until proven innocent, so give us custody and child support or you're a deadbeat.

I take it you have had difficulties and unpleasant experience with our our court system yourself, and there must be a very good reason why you are still posting here today reading these articles.

arabian 01-07-2017 06:10 PM

Your words: ..."The father is then bullied and taken advtange of , not having a lawyer although financially eligible, due to our lame sorry-ass ill-funded legal aid system, and is forced to sign something under duress and when the lame sorry-ass duty counsel refuses to give him legal advice because she was overloaded by our lame sorry-ass fludded and back-logged court system and didn't have time to discuss with him....'

Legal Aid websites (Canada-wide) clearly set out their qualifying income for various levels of coverage of legal aid certificates.

Is Legal Aid underfunded and understaffed?

It is generally accepted that before people go to court they should have some basic idea of the process they are about to get involved with. An exception to this might be if the litigant had a mental deficiency or was below basic intelligence level as there is ample information online available to anyone. There are family law information clinics where people can obtain information from lawyers for free. Sure you have to probably wait a while but 'beggars can't be choosers' can they?

Ultimately, in family court, you are 100% responsible for your own misery. You can educate yourself or not. Options are readily available for those motivated.


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