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Political Issues This forum is for discussing the political aspects of divorce: reform to divorce laws, men's rights, women's rights, injustices in the divorce system, etc.

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Old 11-04-2014, 02:01 PM
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Exactly, the gov't MAKES u take responsibility instead of burdening the taxpayers.

Society doesn't care about the person YOU chose to marry hence the no fault divorce.
Exactly, it is privatized welfare.

Instead of the government paying for them like they do for everybody else, they use the fact you were previously married to them as an excuse to take the money from you even though you have no relationship with them, had no impact on their earnings etc....

No fault divorce isnt really related to this concept.... It just means divorce can be because you feel like it and that your attitude during the marriage (as long as it didnt directly impact earning capacity) doesnt impact the amount you pay or receive.
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Thank goodness most of the general public and the family law system don't buy into your twisted idealogy.

Marriage is a partnership whether you want to admit it or not.You'd get chewed out by any justice hearing you spout your nonsense.
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Marriage is a partnership whether you want to admit it or not.
Oh really, ok let's say I agree - what about just "living" with somebody for a few years..... that also creates a potentially lifelong commitment.

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You'd get chewed out by any justice hearing you spout your nonsense.
Obviously, they're the guardians of the system and they were former lawyers who have lined their pockets at the expense of families.
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Start another thread for the common law household.

So now legal professionals and judges are money hungry sharks? They're working hard to deal with unreasonable people like you.

Dude the system isn't broken. It's people like you that keeps the system going..... more money to pay your lawyer to spite your ex.
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Start another thread for the common law household.

So now legal professionals and judges are money hungry sharks? They're working hard to deal with unreasonable people like you.

Dude the system isn't broken. It's people like you that keeps the system going..... more money to pay your lawyer to spite your ex.
No need to start a thread my point is made. The point being that somehow someway the richer spouse will pay the poor spouse - married, not married, sacrifice or not. Reading the case law you see the creative logic as it flashes into existence and is held on to.

Lawyers like almost everybody on this forum will tell you like billable hours and need to firmly controlled.

I dont pay lawyers.

The system isnt "broken" but there are some serious problems.
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Old 11-05-2014, 12:10 AM
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there is no way a female will pay child
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I have two very close friends who are female and successful and pay both CS and SS to their ex-spouses.

The CS formula in particular has ZERO to do with gender and is not subjective...its very cut & dry math based on salary. Period. Judges don't care what sex you are...you pay based on income. Its total bs to suggest that you're getting out of paying it due to gender.

Personally, I'm not in favor of stay at home spouses. And its a simple fact that there are many more stay at home moms than stay at home dads...that's why the CS payments are skewed. Men going into marriage need to understand that if you let your spouse stay home and your marriage breaks down, you're probably signing yourself up for years of support payments. As long as you're ok with that risk then fine...but otherwise, you need to have an agreement that you're both self-supporting.

The only generalization I'll make about gender is that men are usually more accepting of women staying at home than women would ever be of a man staying home. Its just the way the genders are socialized about earning. I think that needs to change. The risk for any partner in a marriage to be non self-supporting these days is too great for both spouses unless there is a very clear plan in place in the event of a marital breakdown.

I also didn't see any "rage" in the article at all. It was pretty straight forward. The bottom line is that people need to pay for their kids. The other thing the article mentioned is that the system needs to be more flexible in adjusting payments based on the individual's current employment situation.
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Pursuinghappiness - Excellent point about the math formula. Support payments are genderless. It all comes down to number crunching in the end. Also the point you made about having a stay at home spouse. Common sense dictates that if the marriage ends at some point the higher income earner will have to pay some support regardless of gender.

Links17- You never made any point at all. You dont even make sense. You are arguing in circles. The only rage I'm seeing is YOURS. You are projecting blame towards our legal system. You even called support payers indentured servants in another thread if my memory serves me correctly. The problem is with you. You are mad because you have to pay.

In my opinion the system is expensive to navigate but in the end it is just. Mind you it may need a few improvements. Lets start with penalizing those that manipulate it to punish their ex partners but that is another thread we'll call legal bullies.
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I was referring to the rage in the "comments" of the CBC article not the article itself.

wantmyfreedom - my point is that someway, somehow the court will make the richer partner pay independent of any basis of the relationship. The disparity in income guarantees a payment - that is a from of "socialism". You don't know me so you don't know my problems - stick to what you know...

the idea that child support is genderless is theoretical - I think the stats 95%+ child support orders are men --> women. I am not saying it is sexist but just saying the reality isn't genderless.
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I dont care to know you or your problems. I simply dont care.

This is a public forum and I've posted my opinions. You still dont make sense to me. You have no point. You state the obvious....whoever makes more pays up. Do the math and stop focusing on gender. Support payments are genderless.
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