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Old 12-04-2014, 10:15 PM
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Card? Domestic violence is the worst crime of crimes and it cripples every aspect of society
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Worse than murder? I dont think so.

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its up to Target if they want to sell the game or not. Has the actual game been "banned"? So if there was a pedophile in the game it would still be okay? Just trying to see where the line is drawn
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Right so its worth banning the game over violence against women but not murder alone?
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:50 PM
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Worse than murder? I dont think so.
I'd hazard a guess that a significant proportion of murders are domestic in nature, and another bunch are men murdering female strangers.

And honestly, a murder is one violent moment in time. A truly horrible one, yes. But domestic violence is a sequence of violent moments, usually worsening over time, with the perpetrator repeating over and over behaviours which he ought to realize are wrong and stop doing.
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My point is the following the game GTA been out for a long time and not banned despite it showing what I consider horrific criminal activity of all sorts under the protection of freedom of speech, artistic liberty etc..

Now by simply declaring it to encourage violence against women THAT is what got it banned.

Does violence against women have a special status as a crime worse than the rest of the crimes committed in the game?

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I'd hazard a guess that a significant proportion of murders are domestic in nature, and another bunch are men murdering female strangers.

And honestly, a murder is one violent moment in time. A truly horrible one, yes. But domestic violence is a sequence of violent moments, usually worsening over time, with the perpetrator repeating over and over behaviours which he ought to realize are wrong and stop doing
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It is about 20-25% it seems - so significant
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-...m?fpv=2693#a10

I guess about 32 women are killed a year in Ontario.



Sure but let's not get carried away with ourselves, KILLING somebody (whoever it is) IS MUCH MUCH worse than beating a woman, even torturing a woman - Murder/Death is has a finality to it unlike anything else. I'm not condoning anything but the point is that it seems to be that violence against women along with maybe child sexual abuse have been placed on altars as unholy crimes. I agree about the child abuse one because children are in fact entrusted to us as adults but I don't think (thinking out loud here) there is something particularly nefarious about violently abusing a random male and randomly abusing a female.

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You're grasping at straws to make a desperate attempt at proving some kind of twisted point relating to a video game that appeals to the degenerates of society.

ALL violence is detrimental to society. Violence against women is inhumane.

Don't you dare even try to minimize the issue of violence against women. What an offensive post to the people here on this forum who have suffered from DV.

Tasteless and ignorant!
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I am for free speech and freedom of expression, even when it is speech or expression I disagree strongly with. Where I would draw the line is reckless endangerment (yelling fire in a crowded theatre) or inciting violence.

But I also don't have any issue at all with Target deciding not to carry a game because they don't want to promote it and what it stands for. Do newspapers have to post every letter to the editor? Of course not. Does Target have a right to decide what merchandise it carries? Of course they do, and the reason can certainly be up to them to chose.

Similarly here, we don't have the right to say whatever comes into our head, we have rules and moderators that have criteria for posts. That does not violate free speech, because free speech has nothing to do with forcing others to publish your speech, it is about your right to express it. If no one will publish it, you can go to the street corner with a soapbox.

I would not buy GTA, nor would I let my kids have it in my residence. It is violent and mysogynistic to be sure. But as much as I don't like it, what I would dislike more is some faceless bureauacracy telling me what and what I cannot hear. It would be better for society for people to speak out against this game and shame the maker if needed, so that there would be a backlash and drop in sales.
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I would not buy GTA, nor would I let my kids have it in my residence. It is violent and mysogynistic to be sure. But as much as I don't like it, what I would dislike more is some faceless bureauacracy telling me what and what I cannot hear. It would be better for society for people to speak out against this game and shame the maker if needed, so that there would be a backlash and drop in sales.
I'm the same way. It's up to each individual to make decisions for themselves; what they buy in stores and what they sell in stores they run. What alarms me most is the number of individuals who enjoy GTA games without being disgusted by the content.
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If Target chooses not to sell a certain product, that is their choice.

I think their reasoning could have been less specific though. They should've said they chose not to sell it because it is violent. Full Stop. Violence against women is covered under their reasoning of violence. But saying they aren't selling the game because it is violent against women, while selling other games that show violence against men, is hypocritical. You are either against all violence or you're not.

That said, there are tons of games that have the hero slicing and shooting through mountains of men and women, all those are fine. I've never played GTA, it simply doesn't appeal to me, so I don't know what the particular violence this game represents that is any different then me sniping a male/female in Call of Duty.
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Old 12-05-2014, 11:07 AM
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Catering to women, who are responsible for the lion's share of shopping for their families, is a brilliant marketing move. Specifically excepting a product from your shelves that promotes violence against women and publicising your exception is merely another marketing move.

I've never been a "TarJay" kind of girl, but if they make this kind of corporate move, I'll support them in the future.

As to Cosby - well, I suspect he has no marketing moves left.
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I'm confused as to why Target suddenly decided to ban GTA V, or why this is even in the news suddenly, except that it is marketing, or trying to cater to a certain demographic, with recent news events? Target is not doing well financially, at all.

GTA V has been out since 2013, in one console form or another. It's only suddenly, that it's now coming out/or has come out, for more recent game console systems.

All the prior GTA releases included violence, where, some of that violence was involving the "female" characters in the game. Nothing new there.

Banning a game, just makes it more sought after, from other retailers.
The game's publisher (Rockstargames) will love this.

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If Target chooses not to sell a certain product, that is their choice.

I think their reasoning could have been less specific though. They should've said they chose not to sell it because it is violent. Full Stop. Violence against women is covered under their reasoning of violence. But saying they aren't selling the game because it is violent against women, while selling other games that show violence against men, is hypocritical. You are either against all violence or you're not.

That said, there are tons of games that have the hero slicing and shooting through mountains of men and women, all those are fine. I've never played GTA, it simply doesn't appeal to me, so I don't know what the particular violence this game represents that is any different then me sniping a male/female in Call of Duty.
To my mind, the difference in the violence is the criminality of it. In CoD you are a soldier shooting enemies in warfare. In GTA, you are a criminal stealing cars, shooting innocent bystanders and murdering prostitutes.

Both glorify violence, but GTA glorifies crime as well, and is misogynist. For Target to portray that they singled it out for the violence against women is, as Mcdreamy suggested, probably a marketing ploy. There are other games that glorify crime and other games that are misogynist but I guess they don't have the publicity of GTA.

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