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Old 11-09-2016, 12:07 PM
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I find the results of the election to be incredibly disheartening. My daughter and I were really excited about a woman becoming president... and not just any women, but the most capable candidate for president in my entire lifetime. I truly think that Clinton would have changed the world for the better.

Trump winning sends a lesson that is the exact opposite of everything I have tried to teach my children. They often asked me why anybody would vote for Trump, and I told them that there were angry people in the States who would lash out by voting for Trump, but that most people were good people.

I find it hard to believe that Americans are not actually good people, but the results speak for themselves. I strongly disagreed with Harper's policies, but I understood why people would vote for him. This though... this I don't understand.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:22 PM
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I find the results of the election to be incredibly disheartening. My daughter and I were really excited about a woman becoming president... and not just any women, but the most capable candidate for president in my entire lifetime. I truly think that Clinton would have changed the world for the better.

Trump winning sends a lesson that is the exact opposite of everything I have tried to teach my children. They often asked me why anybody would vote for Trump, and I told them that there were angry people in the States who would lash out by voting for Trump, but that most people were good people.

I find it hard to believe that Americans are not actually good people, but the results speak for themselves. I strongly disagreed with Harper's policies, but I understood why people would vote for him. This though... this I don't understand.
Agree.

The problem with the US is that they're addicted to drama, shock and awe. "Jersey Shore", Kardashian's", "Jerry Springer", etc. The Donald is "all" shock and awe so I'm not too surprised. They didn't want a president this year, they wanted a circus monkey to laugh at. And that's what they got.

I still feel like it's a bad dream or some kind of practical joke.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:27 PM
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I truly think that Clinton would have changed the world for the better.
Many Americans (a majority, apparently) don't care if the world is better. They just want their own personal tiny piece of it to be better, even if it comes at the expense of others. Trump promised that, and they didn't have the sense to realize that these promises are impossible to pull off.

I worry about what kind of global damage he can do in four years.
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I think as Canadians we are also in major trouble because of this. What happens there has drastic effects on us.

I am saddened that evil prevailed. Everything we teach our children not to do, won.I am saddened that the US is that divided... there are some very devastated people over there right now, many who are probably facing major negativity today. Even though Justin congratulated Trump, I think he knows we are in trouble, which is why he was reaching out.

It's a sad day for man kind.
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:50 PM
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lol@Americans
Happy Clinton Lost
Sad Trump Won

DNC got punished for their corrupt practices - If anybody could have lost to trump it was clinton. Sanders would have eaten him for lunch

What do they have in common?
Trudeau
Obama
Trump

They were all the more anti-establishment candidate.
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:23 PM
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They often asked me why anybody would vote for Trump, and I told them that there were angry people in the States who would lash out by voting for Trump, but that most people were good people.
They are still good people. They just don't share the all the same values as Canadians. Clearly that was demonstrated in the election results. They simply value other things and place more value on those things.

Canadians often fall prey to the belief that we share similar values. We share similar values with certain states that are often all we see. (New York and California) We often identify with the actors we see on TV who share similar values to us. Unfortunately, they are not the majority in the US.

What needs to happen is those values we Canadians identify with need to spread out from the two coasts inwards. The problem is that with poverty eating at the middle those values are often lower on the hierarchy of needs.

You shouldn't be shocked that the US is different. We are two vastly different countries. We mostly only share a boarder. We don't share currency, we don't share values, etc...

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I find it hard to believe that Americans are not actually good people, but the results speak for themselves.
They are good people. They are not evil. They simply value different things than Canadians. That is why we are not a state. (Thankfully)

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I strongly disagreed with Harper's policies, but I understood why people would vote for him. This though... this I don't understand.
I don't think it is something you could truly understand because you don't share the same values. You value different things. I like to think that the majority of Canadians share the same values. Clearly, the US is divided on many things.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. What transpired in the United States reflects upon the United States. It doesn't mean that Canada is the same. We may be neighbours but, we don't have to be the same thankfully.

Canada has its own identity thankfully. We may have closely knit economies but, our system of government, our values and how we present ourselves to the world is vastly different. This is not to say we are "better". We are different. Being different is good.

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Old 11-09-2016, 03:33 PM
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I think as Canadians we are also in major trouble because of this. What happens there has drastic effects on us.
Doubtful. It will screw up the adgenda on pollution control and climate change probably. But, it will be good for the pipe lines and other items. Generally, Canada does much better economically when a Republican is in office.

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I am saddened that evil prevailed.
Trump is not "evil". He may be many things but, he is not evil. Evil is a word left best to describe despots and Hitler.

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Everything we teach our children not to do, won.
Key point: In the United States. Again, we are not the same country. We have a different flag.

"No flag, no country!" - Eddy Izzard

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I am saddened that the US is that divided... there are some very devastated people over there right now, many who are probably facing major negativity today.
But, I have confidence that in unity they will stand. They always have and sing that every morning. This morning was no different than any other really.

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Even though Justin congratulated Trump, I think he knows we are in trouble, which is why he was reaching out.
I disagreed with Justin's statement:
“The relationship between Canada and the United States is based on shared values and shared hopes and dreams and we will always work well together,”
I do not agree that we share values, hopes and dreams. We work together for economic gain to achieve our own values, hopes and dreams. To lump us as being so similar to the US is wrong in my humble opinion. We will work together for economic gains but, beyond that we are our own country with our own values, dreams and hopes.

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It's a sad day for man kind.
No it isn't. It is another day. One we may not like but, the sky is not falling.

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I think people are misled by mainstream media and this has been a perfect example.

Both candidates and their respective talking heads were frequently misquoted throughout campaign.

Will be interesting to observe outcome and behavior of both democrats and conservatives. Plenty of fear-mongering on both sides.
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I think people are misled by mainstream media and this has been a perfect example.
This is an example of the media not reflect the reality of the situation. This has been an ongoing problem in the US for a while. The media reflects their view of things... Not the actual view of things. Too many "interpretive" journalists and not enough news reporting. Opinion news is a problem.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:13 PM
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This is an example of the media not reflect the reality of the situation. This has been an ongoing problem in the US for a while. The media reflects their view of things... Not the actual view of things. Too many "interpretive" journalists and not enough news reporting. Opinion news is a problem.
I totally agree with you. I find it entertaining to watch the various news outlets immediately after an "occurrence". I used to think BBC was good news but I'm not so sure of those guys anymore.

The last coverage on the election was more like watching The National Inquirer. The reporters were not "reporters" whatsoever.
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